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  1. #61
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    My early morning pre coffee thoughts:

    WHM got Earthly Star

    AST got Assize

    SCH looks stale

    Sadge looks fresh
    (12)
    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  2. #62
    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    He is white knighting, to the point of nauseum while being completely wrong on every. single. point, and just genuinely arguing things that don't need to be argued.

    Enough is enough.
    What makes your argument valid while his not?

    I agree with most healer complaints made in this forum but there're some I disagree with.

    There must be healers who are happy about their current job design and philosophy.

    Why should devs hear only from angry healers here and not them.

    I'm not saying healer complaints are not well founded, but healer community as a whole must consider players at different skill level and interest.

    I don't like the current state of healers either, but we must not tell those who like it to go away.

    You and I can be very upset about the incoming changes in EW, so can people be happy about it
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  3. #63
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    Althena Rolair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    I don't like the current state of healers either, but we must not tell those who like it to go away.
    Ok, so why did they devs tell healers that were a fan of 2.0 3.0 and 4.0 to go away?
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  4. #64
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    Yoshi explaining that healers are in a good spot
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  5. #65
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    There will surely be healers that are not angry about the changes, or lack thereof, they're probably just indifferent. Because a lot of people playing this game couldn't care less about how their job actually plays, they queue into expert roulette, press their 3 buttons to heal while watching Netflix or Youtube and call it a day.
    Now the question is, should the game be designed around those kinds of players? At the end of the day they'll just take whatever SE gives them anyway.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Neutral healing is no longer AST exclusive trait. Every healer can weave and move in between casts.
    You're an AST now Harry

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Every healer has a buff to maintain which means that they will be pressing something other than their nuke even when there is no healing.
    So that's 179 button presses per fight, wait nm it's an oGCD. Back to 180 we go

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Every healer got an upgraded version of their AoE and ST which makes them look fresh. If you switch to some old DPS like NIN you will see that their 1-2-3 combo looks older than me.
    A fresh lick of paint over the same rotten carcass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Minor Arcana got changed together with other Ast spells. They gave AST a third AoE ability, something other than star and other than Gravity.
    You're a WHM now Harry

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Holy speeds up lily generation and there is a good possibility of lilies becoming oGCDs if they haven't already.
    You're an optimist now Harry

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Asylum 2.0 looks great. Range is much wider so you will benefit more from using it by focusing on dealing more damage. They did say that it functionally differs from the other field actions so it might be doing something other than healing.
    You're an AST now Harry

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Useless spells and abilities like Fluid Aura got removed.
    Oh they actually realised Fluid Aura was still in the game files? I'd forgotten tbh =(

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Sage is the new Scholar revamped from scratch. The old Sch was kept in the game for those who can't part with the fairy and the lore of the job.
    You're a Sadge now Harry =(

    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Sage is awesome at first glance. I will see how it actually plays out.
    You're not a SCH now Harry =(((((

    Don't get me wrong. If these were changes off the back of HW or even SB, I wouldn't be against them. They aren't bad additions in isolation at all. However there are two very distinct things that stand out to me here:

    Healing in the game needs a fundamental rethink as currently, it just doesn't work. Why is healing in levelling content often considerably harder than in casual end game content? Why is it acceptable for a healer to press one single button 180 times in a single fight? This is not a fundamental rethink, these are just 'fine' additions to a problem that SE is burying their heads in the sand about.

    Secondly, SCH has a long and detailed tradition of getting horridly broken with the last few expansion releases. This really isn't doing anything to ease those fears.

    My take away? It's exactly as it's been for years. The job development team are woefully out of touch with what needs to be done with the healer role as a whole.
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  7. #67
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    I'll just wait until the job action pages come. That's when I rightfully got angry / concerned about AST. It's better now but anyone who played healers for 5 minutes could've seen what was wrong with 5.0 AST (before the page long list of changes 2 weeks in).

    We'll see if there's a repeat.
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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    So that's 179 button presses per fight, wait nm it's an oGCD. Back to 180 we go
    Hey now, maybe the fights will be longer this expansion, so you get to press that button 250 times.
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  9. #69
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by althenawhm View Post
    Ok, so why did they devs tell healers that were a fan of 2.0 3.0 and 4.0 to go away?
    or did they?
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  10. #70
    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    There will surely be healers that are not angry about the changes, or lack thereof, they're probably just indifferent. Because a lot of people playing this game couldn't care less about how their job actually plays, they queue into expert roulette, press their 3 buttons to heal while watching Netflix or Youtube and call it a day.
    Now the question is, should the game be designed around those kinds of players? At the end of the day they'll just take whatever SE gives them anyway.
    You surely do know how exactly those people think, huh?
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