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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    Why doesn't anyone who recommends healers switch roles consider that healers are mandatory for all content. What happens when every single one switches roles.
    The devs would realize they fucked up
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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    What happens when every single one switches roles.
    Some very interesting hotfixes would happen if enough healers went "on strike." And something in me would love to see it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Some very interesting hotfixes would happen if enough healers went "on strike." And something in me would love to see it happen.
    Same. Too bad that is not something that will be easy to organize. There will always be people who are happy with the brain dead mechanics and "pretty flowers" (whm) or pretty stars (AST) to play those two jobs. That and we have trusts for dungeons now so you couldn't even start to make groups sweat for the initial launch due to healer shortages. Plus... Sage now exists and that's sure to get some people excited with how flashy it is.

    At this point our only hope is that SOMEONE in the media tour talks to/asks them about healers.... Yeah, I'm not holding my breath there either.
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    "Then what is magic for?" Prince Lir demanded wildly. "What use is wizardry if it cannot save a unicorn?"
    Schmendrick did not turn his head. With a touch of sad mockery in his voice, he said, "That's what heroes are for."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Same. Too bad that is not something that will be easy to organize. There will always be people who are happy with the brain dead mechanics and "pretty flowers" (whm) or pretty stars (AST) to play those two jobs. That and we have trusts for dungeons now so you couldn't even start to make groups sweat for the initial launch due to healer shortages. Plus... Sage now exists and that's sure to get some people excited with how flashy it is.
    True. And the huge influx of new players will probably do a lot to keep the ratio of healers to other jobs pretty steady..



    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    At this point our only hope is that SOMEONE in the media tour talks to/asks them about healers.... Yeah, I'm not holding my breath there either.
    Considering the dearth of content creators that even main healer... I think it would be more pertinent for the healer community to generate some constructive and non-aggressive questions and offer them to people in the media tour and encourage them to ask about Healers.
    No one will get healers concerns out there but healers, and I don't think there are many healer fans in the tour.

    (maybe we could even start a thread about healer questions and concerns to centralize things that we could potentially link people to/copy & paste from? Could that be helpful?)
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    Last edited by ItMe; 10-01-2021 at 01:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    Why doesn't anyone who recommends healers switch roles consider that healers are mandatory for all content. What happens when every single one switches roles.
    Maybe it will never happen.

    I'm sure there're still lots of people who enjoy current iteration of healers. They aren't vocal about it but they exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    Why doesn't anyone who recommends healers switch roles consider that healers are mandatory for all content. What happens when every single one switches roles.
    We'll be left with people who actually like healing.

    I have a question. Maybe this has been talked about before, but humor me for a second.

    Instead of asking for more dps abilities, how about we ask for more opportunities to heal? Ask for more unavoidable raid wide damage, or mechanics that favor constant damage. (Tremors that shake the ground that constantly deal damage, or lasers that fly around hitting random players without notice or being telegraphed?)

    Instead of asking for more dps potential when you have no healing to do, why not just ask for more healing to do so you have less downtime to worry about having to dps?

    * again, not saying we shouldn't be dpsing during downtime, nor am I saying we shouldn't have a few extra abilities. (Look at my previous post at the bottom of page 17) But having less down time because you simply have more healing to do in the first place would solve this issue, wouldn't it? Keep healers healing. *
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    Instead of asking for more dps potential when you have no healing to do, why not just ask for more healing to do so you have less downtime to worry about having to dps?
    Because that'd mean a much bigger change to how they do things (encounter design) than giving Healers engaging downtime.

    Not to mention that there are indeed peopel new to healing and/or not as well practiced as others, and you'd risk excluding them from content if you increased healign demands to a point where the well practiced and/or geared Healers wouldn't end up bored again.

    And a 'just increase healing in hard content' is not the solution imho. saying 'play Ex/savage/ultimate if you want to have fun as a heal' can not be the solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    Instead of asking for more dps potential when you have no healing to do, why not just ask for more healing to do so you have less downtime to worry about having to dps?
    We've already asked for that. It's common opinion that more to heal would be great.

    However, it's also impossible to eliminate downtime entirely, especially as you and your group become better at a fight. Since player skill = more downtime, it's natural that players who master the class become bored and want something engaging to fill it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    We'll be left with people who actually like healing.

    I have a question. Maybe this has been talked about before, but humor me for a second.

    Instead of asking for more dps abilities, how about we ask for more opportunities to heal? Ask for more unavoidable raid wide damage, or mechanics that favor constant damage. (Tremors that shake the ground that constantly deal damage, or lasers that fly around hitting random players without notice or being telegraphed?)

    Instead of asking for more dps potential when you have no healing to do, why not just ask for more healing to do so you have less downtime to worry about having to dps?

    * again, not saying we shouldn't be dpsing during downtime, nor am I saying we shouldn't have a few extra abilities. (Look at my previous post at the bottom of page 17) But having less down time because you simply have more healing to do in the first place would solve this issue, wouldn't it? Keep healers healing. *
    People have been asking for this for ages though. And besides, making current content harder to heal doesn't really solve the problem that, in past/old content (which you often do a LOT on this game, going into roulettes etc), where everything is nerfed/easier, playing a healer gets boring again. My DPS and even tank friends are able to feel engaged in the game without doing extremes, savages or only-the-current-content. Make things hit harder wouldn't eliminate downtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    We'll be left with people who actually like healing.

    I have a question. Maybe this has been talked about before, but humor me for a second.

    Instead of asking for more dps abilities, how about we ask for more opportunities to heal? Ask for more unavoidable raid wide damage, or mechanics that favor constant damage. (Tremors that shake the ground that constantly deal damage, or lasers that fly around hitting random players without notice or being telegraphed?)

    Instead of asking for more dps potential when you have no healing to do, why not just ask for more healing to do so you have less downtime to worry about having to dps?

    * again, not saying we shouldn't be dpsing during downtime, nor am I saying we shouldn't have a few extra abilities. (Look at my previous post at the bottom of page 17) But having less down time because you simply have more healing to do in the first place would solve this issue, wouldn't it? Keep healers healing. *
    Simple, because SE will never increase the healing requirement in content. Neither in casual nor in high-end content, as they recently mentioned.

    Look at it like this, we currently have healers who struggle to heal an expert dungeon, the probably easiest content in the game. So what do you think would happen if SE increases the healing requirement in all content?

    This is why people are asking for more involved dps on healers, because it gives better/more seasoned players something engaging to do during downtime while not affecting the bottom line.




    And even if you increased the healing requirement to the point that you run out of oGCDs and need to spam your GCD heals it would not make for more interesting gameplay, atleast not with how healing is currently designed.
    Our healing abilities don't have any synergy, it's all just "makes HP go up by XYZ". So instead of spamming Glare 24/7 you would be spamming Medica, not exactly an improvement.

    And then on top of that you would have the problem of SCH probably not even being able to keep up with the healing, because your GCD heals on SCH are absolutely terrible for getting someone's HP up.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 10-02-2021 at 08:55 AM.

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