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  1. #41
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    If you do not need the movement speed you use it as yet another mitigation tool in a healer rotation. what is so hard about that to understand?! Mitigation is always a good thing to have and in the possible chance that sch has more options for raw party mitigation then sage because of this that will be an advantage it has over sage. the movement Speed is a fringe niche effect to a cooldown that will ALWAYS be useful to have.
    Raw mitigation isn't enough. Sacred Soil has sucked for years, mostly because it was an aetherflow opportunity cost. The way the game is designed, nothing in SCH's kit can be mandatory to clear any content at any point. The mitigation from SCH-Peloton actually can't be the deciding factor in any mechanic. As a result, it's an unnecessary tool. Just use Sacred Soil. It's better because it has a regen. This move actually blows.
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  2. #42
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
    Raw mitigation isn't enough. Sacred Soil has sucked for years, mostly because it was an aetherflow opportunity cost. The way the game is designed, nothing in SCH's kit can be mandatory to clear any content at any point. The mitigation from SCH-Peloton actually can't be the deciding factor in any mechanic. As a result, it's an unnecessary tool. Just use Sacred Soil. It's better because it has a regen. This move actually blows.
    Yeah it is bad. However, faster movement also means longer uptime on the boss, so it could be used for a slight dps increase.
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    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  3. #43
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    Adeacia's Avatar
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    Adeacia Lightheart
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Videra View Post
    Realize that a big part of healer fun used to be managing cleric stance, cooldowns, debuffs and buffs, while having less OGCD heals.

    Realize that healers also had a suite of DPS nukes in 3.X which you used based on available MP, and multiple dots to keep you paying attention during fights.

    Realize that you have no idea what you're talking about.
    I've been healing since 3.2. I know exactly what I'm talking about. They removed pointless busywork that never needed to be in the game in the first place.

    An extra dot to watch is not engaging, it's a waste. I do want aero 3 or an equivalent back though.

    I've played all 3 healers a fair amount, and don't even recall the stuff you described being different from what we have now. The buffs still exist, we can still dps. Cleric stance going away was only a good thing.

    I've said it before and I'll day it again. Stop trying to optimize everything and watch your problems cease to exist.
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  4. #44
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    Jkap Goat
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    Gilgamesh
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    Weaver Lv 80
    Lol SCH, it's so embarrassing, they got screwed again
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  5. #45
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    EaMett's Avatar
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    Ea Sin
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat View Post
    Lol SCH, it's so embarrassing, they got screwed again
    Belt of healers
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  6. #46
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    Truen's Avatar
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    WE NEED A NEW DESIGN TEAM FOR THE SCHOLAR.
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  7. #47
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Oh look, we got screwed again. TOLD YOH
    You can't be serious.

    Neutral healing is no longer AST exclusive trait. Every healer can weave and move in between casts.

    Every healer has a buff to maintain which means that they will be pressing something other than their nuke even when there is no healing.

    Every healer got an upgraded version of their AoE and ST which makes them look fresh. If you switch to some old DPS like NIN you will see that their 1-2-3 combo looks older than me.

    Minor Arcana got changed together with other Ast spells. They gave AST a third AoE ability, something other than star and other than Gravity.

    Holy speeds up lily generation and there is a good possibility of lilies becoming oGCDs if they haven't already.
    Asylum 2.0 looks great. Range is much wider so you will benefit more from using it by focusing on dealing more damage. They did say that it functionally differs from the other field actions so it might be doing something other than healing.

    Useless spells and abilities like Fluid Aura got removed.

    Sage is the new Scholar revamped from scratch. The old Sch was kept in the game for those who can't part with the fairy and the lore of the job.

    Sage is awesome at first glance. I will see how it actually plays out.
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  8. #48
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    Jase Shepard
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    Malboro
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I know this won’t be a popular viewpoint, but I felt like there were some very good things to be gleaned from the trailer:

    1. Did anyone notice that the faerie actions were immediate? We have been asking for this.
    2. 1.5 second nukes do help enable weaving, also something we’ve been asking for.
    3. AST no longer looks like a WHM copy - the removal of the sects has allowed for more diverse card effects. Also, Starfall adds additional damage/healing ability, and Gravity 2 has some sort of stun/slow attached to it. The didn’t specify though. This is potentially great.
    4. Sage allows for simultaneous damage/healing with its “Synastry” ability, something we’re been asking for. It looks to be QUITE the offensive healer.

    I do agree that SCH looked pretty disappointing. My assumption is that the devs wanted one each of the pure/shield healers to be straightforward and easier to master (WHM/SCH) while the others (AST/SGE) intended for additional challenge and potential payoff. Again, I understand that many players may not appreciate this notion, but I think it fits with their language when they talk about balance and accessibility.
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  9. #49
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    Kraniel's Avatar
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    Tessa Logrim
    World
    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    I don't think the skills will determine if healers are more fun to play or not in EW. Fight design will, and we don't know anything about that yet. Wait until you get to experience the new trials with the adjusted healer kits, who knows, maybe they designed fights a bit differently this time and we'll get to actually use our healing spells

    As a side note though, i'm a bit upset they took so much time to completely redesign SMN when it was not even in a bad spot (like most DPS classes lol), and healers get almost no changes.
    I understand revamping a whole job takes a lot of time, but surely healers and tanks should have been at the top of their list ... not SMN.
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  10. #50
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    Jkap Goat
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    Gilgamesh
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    Weaver Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Charganium View Post
    My jaw dropped when they said there wasn't much they could have changed with Scholar. I don't understand how they can think the current design is okay even after the past two years of complaints.
    I want to use this as my signature
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