Asmongold on NSFW mods

[Caitlyn]

It is one thing to get lied to by a person saying they are 18+ and they are in fact not. It is a completely different story for ERP roleplayers etc. not to care at all with whom they are doing it and just running with their meat out and a blindfold on through Ul'dah.

But yeah mods aren't the problem and neither is ERP, the people doing that stuff are the problem cause they show complete disinterest with whom they might have digital intercourse. And that is the majority of all ERP players. It's kinda concerning if you don't care if the other party is underaged or not. Speaks not for you. (Not meaning the quoted person with that ofc.)

There is not always black and white (except for both of us) ; )
Just because you re not against something, doesnt means you re supporting them. You just dont care that much.

So ERP just RP with having their meat out? I thought its just regular RP with some spicy details... .

I can understand that ERPlayers dont care about others age or gender. They care about the character, not the player behind it. They doing their RP with that character, not with the person.

Do you really want, that other people know such private information about other players? How do you even know, if those information are correct? Do you really want to know, what the other person is doing in front of his/her PC right now? Are you checking if each player is over 13 everytime you enter a dungeon? Propably not.

Thats the difference between Sexting and ERP. Sexting actually contains real and private information. ERP is still fictional. And even when ERP happens between a 14- (Roegadyn player) and a 24-year old (Miqo'te player)... Its not sexting between a minor and a creep. Its harmless RP between a Roe and a Cat. Not even more harmfull than h**tai or EFanFiction on the internet. Who do you want to judge then? The game? The players? The parents? The society? You cant.

[Ranaku]

There is not always black and white (except for both of us) ; )
Just because you re not against something, doesnt means you re supporting them. You just dont care that much.

So ERP just RP with having their meat out? I thought its just regular RP with some spicy details... .

I can understand that ERPlayers dont care about others age or gender. They care about the character, not the player behind it. They doing their RP with that character, not with the person.

Do you really want, that other people know such private information about other players? How do you even know, if those information are correct? Do you really want to know, what the other person is doing in front of his/her PC right now? Are you checking if each player is over 13 everytime you enter a dungeon? Propably not.

Thats the difference between Sexting and ERP. Sexting actually contains real and private information. ERP is still fictional. And even when ERP happens between a 14- (Roegadyn player) and a 24-year old (Miqo'te player)... Its not sexting between a minor and a creep. Its harmless RP between a Roe and a Cat. Not even more harmfull than h**tai or EFanFiction on the internet. Who do you want to judge then? The game? The players? The parents? The society? You cant.

As true or not true that might be, it doesn't matter. It is against the law, no matter if you just imagine your characters doing it or yourself. And i speak here from a moral standpoint and law wise.

It is literally illegal to engage minors, in any way, with such stuff. No matter if it's roleplay or sexting or just shoving your uncovered tail into someones dms. There are no "grey" areas when it comes to that. Same as you can't say irl that you put a mario mask over the kiddo before molesting it and thus it's alright cause it was a male plumber in that scenario. All that might achieve is giving you an express ticket into the next loony bin.

And speaking from my personal standpoint, i know it's a complex topic and you can't just ban everything and this problem will probably never be able to be solved. But still, i think it's gross af that you (not you you, the erp player i mean) just doesn't care. Heck i would care a lot whom i'm about to duck.

[Caitlyn]

As true or not true that might be, it doesn't matter. It is against the law, no matter if you just imagine your characters doing it or yourself. And i speak here from a moral standpoint and law wise.

It is literally illegal to engage minors, in any way, with such stuff. No matter if it's roleplay or sexting or just shoving your uncovered tail into someones dms.

Sure it is (at some point), but only if you re totally sure, that this person is under 18 and you concent to have "virtual intercourse" with it.

In real life, you can actually tell the age based on the physical appearance (for the most part). Online, you cant. You can ask, but name one teen who never lie about their age. I assume, ERP discords may have a rule to enter those only if you re over 18.

The differences are two fold. One, 4 man dungeon content is sanctioned by the game creators and rated by my country's rating board. Two, I don't communicate or interact beyond just doing my job/role and leaving the dungeon.

Doesnt matter. If a 9 year old joins you and you re not care about their age, you re guilty as well (from you own point of view). Just because you dont communicate, does it mean you re free from your responsibility?

When I m just /pet a lalafell, does this make me guilty in your opinion?

[Snorky]

Sure it is (at some point), but only if you re totally sure, that this person is under 18 and you concent to have "virtual intercourse" with it.

In real life, you can actually tell the age based on the physical appearance (for the most part). Online, you cant. You can ask, but name one teen who never lie about their age. I assume, ERP discords may have a rule to enter those only if you re over 18.



Doesnt matter. If a 9 year old joins you and you re not care about their age, you re guilty as well (from you own point of view). Just because you dont communicate, does it mean you re free from your responsibility?

When I m just /pet a lalafell, does this make me guilty in your opinion?

Wow just wow, the lengths you are going to just to abstain from any responsibility as an adult. People with this attitude ARE the problem here oh well they say, it's just a game doesn't matter if it's a person behind that character. This is exactly what abusers do to their victims, deflect, oh you made me do it, you made me say it, you made me be angry so I couldn't control myself you made me get aroused because you wore a bikini, you made me want to hurt you because I have needs too! That is how disgusting this thread is. The victim blame is real, you actually expect a 9 year old to know their mind or a 13 year old. There is a reason they are not adults at that age. Just stop! This is disgusting. What does a nine year old in a game in a dungeon killing npcs with to do with the erp community not policing themselves? If you are into it and a adult I could give two sheets but if you don't care that you maybe abusing a minor well I have no use for you and you're a sorry excu itse for a human. Stop projecting the responsibility onto a child. This game and it's contents that the developer made are for teens not adults who can't stop touching themselves. Pleeeessse. Give me a break. Victim blame it makes you look ugly.

[Caitlyn]

Wow just wow, the lengths you are going to just to abstain from any responsibility as an adult. People with this attitude ARE the problem here oh well they say, it's just a game doesn't matter if it's a person behind that character. This is exactly what abusers do to their victims, deflect, oh you made me do it, you made me say it, you made me be angry so I couldn't control myself you made me get aroused because you wore a bikini, you made me want to hurt you because I have needs too! That is how disgusting this thread is. The victim blame is real, you actually expect a 9 year old to know their mind or a 13 year old. There is a reason they are not adults at that age. Just stop! This is disgusting. What does a nine year old in a game in a dungeon killing npcs with to do with the erp community not policing themselves? If you are into it and a adult I could give two sheets but if you don't care that you maybe abusing a minor well I have no use for you and you're a sorry excu itse for a human. Stop projecting the responsibility onto a child. This game and it's contents that the developer made are for teens not adults who can't stop touching themselves. Pleeeessse. Give me a break. Victim blame it makes you look ugly.

Stop making a witch hunt against anybody who doesnt share the same opinion as you.

It may be a good advice if you step from the forums for a while and get some rest. Please come back if you can make a discussion on a not emotional level.

[Snorky]

Stop making a witch hunt against anybody who doesnt share the same opinion as you.

It may be a good advice if you step from the forums for a while and get some rest. Please come back if you can make a discussion on a not emotional level.

Tell that to a mother who child was abused by a stranger in a game because they couldn't control their urges. Why wouldn't it be emotional? Seriously the whole topic of adults not being careful with their needs is the problem here.

[Caitlyn]

Tell that to a mother who child was abused by a stranger in a game because they couldn't control their urges. Why wouldn't it be emotional? Seriously the whole topic of adults not being careful with their needs is the problem here.

Are you that mother? Or the child? Do you even have children? This whole topic is about NSFW-mods, not a lawsuit against child molester. No need to be emotional.

And btw: that mother is free from guilt?

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

And it is. NSFW or ERP is not part of the main gameplay and its not public for everybody. Parents shouldnt control their kids. But its their job to raise their children. Online and offline. The internet is nothing totally new, so parents should know enough to teach their kids about it.

[Kuroka]

Tell that to a mother who child was abused by a stranger in a game

Like.... how even...? I mean worst case you can just log out...

I m still unsure how we get from "Usage from NSFW mods" to "Child molester. Everywhere!"

But just think of the Children (who are about to decide about their future life and job but be dammed if they do some RP)!!!

The discussion is about problems tied specifically to FFXIV.

No, its not. Its about NSFW mods anywhere basically and our mod community just had bad luck lol.

[Awha]

Wow just wow, the lengths you are going to just to abstain from any responsibility as an adult. People with this attitude ARE the problem here oh well they say, it's just a game doesn't matter if it's a person behind that character. This is exactly what abusers do to their victims, deflect, oh you made me do it, you made me say it, you made me be angry so I couldn't control myself you made me get aroused because you wore a bikini, you made me want to hurt you because I have needs too! That is how disgusting this thread is. The victim blame is real, you actually expect a 9 year old to know their mind or a 13 year old. There is a reason they are not adults at that age. Just stop! This is disgusting. What does a nine year old in a game in a dungeon killing npcs with to do with the erp community not policing themselves? If you are into it and a adult I could give two sheets but if you don't care that you maybe abusing a minor well I have no use for you and you're a sorry excu itse for a human. Stop projecting the responsibility onto a child. This game and it's contents that the developer made are for teens not adults who can't stop touching themselves. Pleeeessse. Give me a break. Victim blame it makes you look ugly.

It is a joint effort the parents are also at fault. Parents need to stop blaming others for their poor parenting. Teach your kid that's the lying has consequences some of which they cannot easily walk back from. Life is full of danger and authority figures can only do so much to protect you that includes parents. They need to teach kids that this world is dangerous and how they act and dress can have potential consequences and if they are uncomfortable with those consequences then do not wear or do x.

It is that simple too many people think oh horrible person did x it is all their fault but if you ask them what did they do to minimize the risk factors they often tell ya nothing. That is the problem and as another person shown it is a byproduct of being privileged. From an early age my parents told me the world can be a cruel place and the only person that will ever always be 100% on your side and be around all the time to protect you is yourself.

It is not victim blaming to point out that the victim could have protected themselves better.

The real world is not a daycare center it is not designed to protect everyone from everything we need to make up the difference. This reminds me of my neighbor during covid his packages were stolen and when I suggested he should get a camera system, his reply was why? People should not steal that is why we have laws etc . . . but if they had just put a camera they could have maybe made it easier for the proper authorities to do their job.

In short protecting yourself also makes it easier for the laws and rules to work more efficiently.

[Truen]

It is a joint effort the parents are also at fault. Parents need to stop blaming others for their poor parenting. Teach your kid that's the lying has consequences some of which they cannot easily walk back from. Life is full of danger and authority figures can only do so much to protect you that includes parents. They need to teach kids that this world is dangerous and how they act and dress can have potential consequences and if they are uncomfortable with those consequences then do not wear or do x.

It is that simple too many people think oh horrible person did x it is all their fault but if you ask them what did they do to minimize the risk factors they often tell ya nothing. That is the problem and as another person shown it is a byproduct of being privileged. From an early age my parents told me the world can be a cruel place and the only person that will ever always be 100% on your side and be around all the time to protect you is yourself.

It is not victim blaming to point out that the victim could have protected themselves better.

The real world is not a daycare center it is not designed to protect everyone from everything we need to make up the difference. This reminds me of my neighbor during covid his packages were stolen and when I suggested he should get a camera system, his reply was why? People should not steal that is why we have laws etc . . . but if they had just put a camera they could have maybe made it easier for the proper authorities to do their job.

In short protecting yourself also makes it easier for the laws and rules to work more efficiently.

I actually disagree with that take. If the game is being platformed as something safe for kids, it better damn well be safe for kids. Now we can have the conversation about whether or 'this' particular issue constitutes a concern, but that's another point. However, if porn becomes directly accessible through mainstream avenues that people don't have to search for via 3rd party resources then that's a breach of the game's rating system and isn't something I'd want to defend in court if someone escalates issues to that level.

But, when someone signs up for their kid to play a game like this they don't expect their child to ever encounter "M" rated mature content. Blaming "parenting" is a rather hollow position if the community is working to corrupt, pervert, and/or expose people to things that aren't suited for a "T" for teen game.