Pulling During Cutscene

[Cabalabob]

When I say you here, I’m not necessarily meaning YOU you, but rather players in general.

To answer the above:
No, people watching cutscenes are not holding up the group. This is the stance of the devs, full stop. You are running it because you want something, be it loot, xp or to help a friend. New players are also there because they want something: to enjoy the experience of their first time through the dungeon. Your wants are not more important than theirs.

SE has actively made dungeons with this in mind. Gates are there to prevent massive pulls more or less from 3.0 on, they now force cutscenes in certain instances like Nier. This is directly in response to impatient players. I am satisfied with this and would rather not SE have a more forceful hand, such as forcing all cutscenes.

Story time:

Way back I was in an ethics class with an article asking people to consider whether England or Scotland was the more religious country. It then listed various rules or policies about English businesses that restricted business times during Sundays, while Scotland did not have such rigorous rules. It then argued that Scotland was the more religious country because the people there just naturally closed or did not do business during Sundays. From Scotland’s point of view, there shouldn’t be a need for such rules.

The point was that hard rules come into place when people don’t or won’t do what the majority believe to be common sense. Now I don’t know if any of that is true, but it makes for a good story, so we’ll go with it.

In Japan, it is common courtesy to wait patiently for others. Not doing so is absolutely a faux pas in most situations. I mostly play with Japanese players and have rarely had a player pull ahead, and even when they do there is usually an “I’m sorry” when they notice that someone is in CS.

Like the story above, from the dev point of view there isn’t or shouldn’t be a need to enforce cutscene watching, but their hand was forced in prae/castrum and they’ve made an effort not to have lengthy cutscenes pretty much since 4.0 on. (HW has a few)

If you don’t want to be inconvenienced by the occasional 30 second cutscene, do not do run the content. SE gives the option to skip on the odd chance the entire party has seen it all and wants to move forward. If a player does not, it is assumed everyone has the common courtesy and will wait.

My point is that neither group should be beholden to the other and the best way to achieve that is rather than “taking a side” is to stop putting cutscenes in the middle of content. The nier raid can be forgiven because Yoko Taro’s team probably didn’t know any better, but for delubrum reginae? Shame on you dev team.

[Baxcel]

My point is that neither group should be beholden to the other and the best way to achieve that is rather than “taking a side” is to stop putting cutscenes in the middle of content. The nier raid can be forgiven because Yoko Taro’s team probably didn’t know any better, but for delubrum reginae? Shame on you dev team.

Your wrong.. sprouts who it's their first time there.. who queued into the duty with the actual finder and not roulette have more importance then you or anyone who is there from roulette.

The story is the main focus of this game.. the devs have said as much and forcing a new player to skip the story is just as bad as spoiling it for them.. first timers will always be the focus of the game and everyone else second..

If you can't let someone enjoy their first time threw then your more of the problem then anyone else.. and are purely the reason for unskippable scenes in MSQ.. and will be responsible for unskippables in future content too

[Cabalabob]

Your wrong.. sprouts who it's their first time there.. who queued into the duty with the actual finder and not roulette have more importance then you or anyone who is there from roulette.

The story is the main focus of this game.. the devs have said as much and forcing a new player to skip the story is just as bad as spoiling it for them.. first timers will always be the focus of the game and everyone else second..

If you can't let someone enjoy their first time threw then your more of the problem then anyone else.. and are purely the reason for unskippable scenes in MSQ.. and will be responsible for unskippables in future content too

Completely missed the point again didn’t you? THEY SHOULD DESIGN CONTENT IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DEBATE. Got it?

I would argue outside of castrum, there are no lengthy cutscenes. 1-2 minutes just isn’t lengthy for me. I am happy to see a cutscene if it is relevant and tells some story. I mean their alternative is to cut the dungeon off and then add a trial for the final boss like the end of Heavansward…fine..but not my taste.

I just don’t see the need for bosses to have a 1-2 minute introduction, we have thousands of bosses that make do with just walking out and roaring at the screen. You don’t see threads about wishing a boss had more screen time before you actually got to fight it.

[Sotaris]

Completely missed the point again didn’t you? THEY SHOULD DESIGN CONTENT IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DEBATE. Got it?

Whoa dude, calm down lol.

[Snorky]

Completely missed the point again didn’t you? THEY SHOULD DESIGN CONTENT IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DEBATE. Got it?

Missed the point again didn't you? If they did that sprouts wouldn't be able to have a timely Q, plus you get extra rewards for taking sprouts through content. If you don't like it don't use the roulette. There is no debate SE wants you to be a good team member and to cooperate.

[Cabalabob]

Missed the point again didn't you? If they did that sprouts wouldn't be able to have a timely Q, plus you get extra rewards for taking sprouts through content. If you don't like it don't use the roulette. There is no debate SE wants you to be a good team member and to cooperate.

…What? Why would the devs making dungeons not have cutscenes mid run suddenly effect queues?

[kaynide]

My point is that neither group should be beholden to the other and the best way to achieve that is rather than “taking a side” is to stop putting cutscenes in the middle of content. The nier raid can be forgiven because Yoko Taro’s team probably didn’t know any better, but for delubrum reginae? Shame on you dev team.

I would argue outside of castrum, there are no lengthy cutscenes. 1-2 minutes just isn’t lengthy for me. I am happy to see a cutscene if it is relevant and tells some story. I mean their alternative is to cut the dungeon off and then add a trial for the final boss like the end of Heavansward…fine..but not my taste.