The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[ViolaLance]

Feelings aside. Long as they add in glamor and mount to Sage's very unique medical appearance.





Cause you know, reasons.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Why are people so afraid of the fact that the devs like to listen to the playerbase? Every time something like this happens there's always a group of people willing to go all "doom and gloom" because they're afraid of this setting some weird precedent or whatever. It's not like they deleted the whole job or something, literally just slightly altered the icon design because it was making some players uncomfortable. Like apart from them doing this out of concern and kindness, it's also rather smart from a business standpoint considering that they have merch with the icons on it. It's not good from a marketing/business standpoint if a design choice causes people to have negative reactions because then those people would just not buy the merch, and obviously SE wants them to. Based on the overreactions, it looks like quite a few people think that this is akin to holding the devs at gunpoint when it's actually in their best interest and results in good PR.

Probably because they listen to the minority for many things and don’t listen or address major things that have been around for years.

[Vahlnir]

Probably because they listen to the minority for many things and don’t listen or address major things that have been around for years.

For some things there's an easy fix. Most of the things that people have complained about for years don't have an easy fix. As much as I want to see certain changes, and despite the fact that I play a broken race (hrothgar) pretty often, I'm also realistic with my expectations.. Altering a job icon for an expansion that hasn't even been released yet is a pretty small workload, aka an easy fix.

[Imora]

Dislike both old and new, and I don't expect them to cater to any of my phobias so why should anyone else?

[KizuyaKatogami]

For some things there's an easy fix. Most of the things that people have complained about for years don't have an easy fix. As much as I want to see certain changes, and despite the fact that I play a broken race (hrothgar) pretty often, I'm also realistic with my expectations.. Altering a job icon for an expansion that hasn't even been released yet is a pretty small workload, aka an easy fix.

I understand that. But little to no acknowledgement for something that’s been a problem for 6-8 years…that should be more than enough time for a fix. It’s just annoying to constantly see a vocal minority(usually on the likes of twitter) pandered to, when there’s a larger portion of people that are basically on mute and that SE doesn’t even acknowledge unless it benefits them.

[Theodric]

I mean, this is the Forums afterall. Why expect any positives out of minor yet well-attentioned actions? Let's speculate about nonsense for hours on end and pretend that being cynical is an interesting personality trait.

In my experience, individuals with a healthy degree of critical thinking skills and a dose of scepticism are far more interesting and reliable than those who feel the need to mindlessly buy into every last little thing that a company does in the name of positive optics.

Speaking of interesting, though, despite this move supposedly not being a big deal and also a thread intended to collect feedback there's a rather troubling amount of individuals swift to launch personal attacks and indulge in character assassination of those who dare not fawn over a company for what is essentially an incredibly low effort move. Most people wouldn't even bat an eyelid if it just happened. Things change in development all the time, especially in an unfinished state. Yet the company chose to put out a statement and that statement is being critiqued.

Given what certain other corporations tied to the industry have been going through of late, I daresay it's even healthy to question the motives of those eager to show how tolerant and progressive they are. I think I'm losing count of the number of times such individuals and organisations turn out have some major skeletons within their closest! Let us hope it is not also the case with FFXIV, eh?

I don't personally believe it to be the case, though I'm also not going to go all out in launching blind support of anything and everything that happens 'just because'.

[-JayJay-]

This is a pretty minor change that doesn't bother me. I never even really pay that much attention to class icons. Though, I feel its a bit strange they felt the need to announce such a minor change. Had this change went noticed by the player base on launch rather than being pointed out and giving the reason why there likely would've been a lot less fuss over it.

[Tulzscha]

It looks like a firework. Meh, it's better than the old one.

[Deceptus]

I'm not a fan of the reasoning behind the change. It encourages more people to petition to remove things based on rather thin reasoning. There's plenty of things I dislike or feel disgust towards that I tolerate because I do not believe that every last little thing needs to be catered to me, specifically.

For example, I dislike the sight and texture of slugs and snails but I'm not going to ask for them to be removed from the game.

I'm getting worried about Endwalker. It's meant to the finale of the game's main established story arcs and a second coming of the apocalypse. Are we going to reach a point where barely anything can be 'upsetting'?

This is essentially my stance on it. If you start attempting to cater to every single small issue that people have, with a player base of a million plus players, you are left with bland wet toast design decisions.

I preferred the previous design, but I understand that it affected some people and neither design affects me at all so I don't care about the icon outcome in the slightest.

I just don't think design decisions should be based on an extreme minority of the playerbase phobia, a phobia that is largely self diagnosed, self described and isn't an official disorder.

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[Equitable_Remedy]

There was nothing sacred about the original icon. If the old icon made players uncomfortable and the new icon doesn't, I'm all for it.

Yes, people (including many in this thread) have kneejerk opposition to anything done to make other people more comfortable - it's a sad state of affairs, but not one that should be particularly respected.