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    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Reaper Lv 90
    I'm not a fan of the reasoning behind the change. It encourages more people to petition to remove things based on rather thin reasoning. There's plenty of things I dislike or feel disgust towards that I tolerate because I do not believe that every last little thing needs to be catered to me, specifically.

    For example, I dislike the sight and texture of slugs and snails but I'm not going to ask for them to be removed from the game.

    I'm getting worried about Endwalker. It's meant to the finale of the game's main established story arcs and a second coming of the apocalypse. Are we going to reach a point where barely anything can be 'upsetting'?
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'm not a fan of the reasoning behind the change. It encourages more people to petition to remove things based on rather thin reasoning. There's plenty of things I dislike or feel disgust towards that I tolerate because I do not believe that every last little thing needs to be catered to me, specifically.

    For example, I dislike the sight and texture of slugs and snails but I'm not going to ask for them to be removed from the game.

    I'm getting worried about Endwalker. It's meant to the finale of the game's main established story arcs and a second coming of the apocalypse. Are we going to reach a point where barely anything can be 'upsetting'?
    This is essentially my stance on it. If you start attempting to cater to every single small issue that people have, with a player base of a million plus players, you are left with bland wet toast design decisions.

    I preferred the previous design, but I understand that it affected some people and neither design affects me at all so I don't care about the icon outcome in the slightest.

    I just don't think design decisions should be based on an extreme minority of the playerbase phobia, a phobia that is largely self diagnosed, self described and isn't an official disorder.

    Trypophobia Might Not Be an Actual Phobia, According to Scientists

    Trypophobia Isn’t A Real Phobia According To American Psychiatric Association
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 07-31-2021 at 03:27 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Lauront's Avatar
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    Tristain Archambeau
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is essentially my stance on it. If you start attempting to cater to every single small issue that people have, with a player base of a million plus players, you are left with bland wet toast design decisions.

    I preferred the previous design, but I understand that it affected some people and neither design affects me at all so I don't care about the icon outcome in the slightest.

    I just don't think design decisions should be based on an extreme minority of the playerbase phobia, a phobia that is largely self diagnosed, self described and isn't an official disorder.

    Trypophobia Might Not Be an Actual Phobia, According to Scientists

    Trypophobia Isn’t A Real Phobia According To American Psychiatric Association
    Agreed. I sincerely hope they won't let this affect 6.0's design, given that it's meant to be an apocalypse with quite a bit of body horror, based on what's been teased, which should mean it contains amply more "triggering" material than some icon is claimed to. Again, there are several icons in the game (blades, fire, etc.) that could "trigger" several phobias, and Reaper's scythe could just as easily be modified to avoid one. It's unnecessary. Whatever "tryphophobia" may be, I experience a similar sensation, but it wouldn't be from an icon like this, but from a more visceral image e.g. overlaying a structure like a honeycomb over human body parts. Even so, it wouldn't stop me from exposing myself to it in a game, much as I do with monstrous spiders, even though I have a rather strong form of arachnophobia. An itty bitty little icon on the side of the screen won't trigger that. So I do hope this doesn't trickle over into the rest of 6.0's design. Reminds me of their desire that healers and tanks don't experience "anxiety" and the rather simplified mechanics they now have.

    The claims over "well it's just an icon, why get upset over it" (as Theodric said, it's more disbelief at how flimsy the reasoning is) cut both ways in the end.

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    Your comment is in bad faith itself, so I recommend you give that high horse of yours a well deserved rest...

    SE should be as open as any other company to scepticism when it comes to this sort of attempt at building brand loyalty through token gestures that require little effort of it.
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    Caitlyn's Avatar
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    Geistherz Gungnir
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    Shiva
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    It may be simple, but I would like to see this as the new job-icon.
    No "mouth", no holes. Sorry for the bad quality. Made it quick in gimp.

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    Tal Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
    It may be simple, but I would like to see this as the new job-icon.
    No "mouth", no holes. Sorry for the bad quality. Made it quick in gimp.

    The best redesign so far.
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    Burmecia's Avatar
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    Jitah'li Habhoka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    The best redesign so far.
    Word. Moree characteeers. Done.
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    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Loud Jungle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
    It may be simple, but I would like to see this as the new job-icon.
    No "mouth", no holes. Sorry for the bad quality. Made it quick in gimp.

    So much better, though I still prefer them just lined up in a row.
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    Ryes Rutabaga
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
    It may be simple, but I would like to see this as the new job-icon.
    No "mouth", no holes. Sorry for the bad quality. Made it quick in gimp.

    I also really like this redesign. I didn't like the first one because of the rod going through the hole... seemed weird and also I don't think nouliths do that? So why does the job icon have that???
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