Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Ralph2449]

Well, I think everything needs to be said has been said. This is the top dog MMORPG for a reason, and they are clearly doing things right.

Exactly, and more importantly they ve learned from the mistakes of others since Yoshi P plays and knows many of the problems WoW has and thankfully is ignoring the pleas of certain people with a very toxic mentality in a VIDEO GAME.

WoW started as a casual mmorpg where you didnt have things like losing gear when dying but instead of staying casual they decided to focus on high end content to pander to certain elitist crowd whose ego depends on video game achievements, and through time the effects of such mentality are clear, more and more focus on high end content, casual content becomes less and less relevant and with less and less rewards so the raid loggers dont feel "forced" to do dirty casual content, even doing Torghast is a torture for them because they are "forced" to do dirty casual content since their elite selves should only focus on raid logging.

Blizzard listened to these people, hell the lead Dev is a person that sadly shares that mentality to a degree and no matter how much he tries to pander to everyone, you cannot, you have to stick to one side and focus on making a good game based on your vision, never try to satisfy opposing sides, you end up disappointing both.

He also leaves both specs and fights laden with bugs placing them apart from their theoretical values, if not outright unbeatable, which, in the case of specs, he admits to only after finally discovering the cause of the discrepancy many months later...

If he'd actually used more than voluntary player labor for his playtesting, and released the versions that had thus been successfully playtested, what you're saying might mean something.

Except, of course, in that high-end difficulty fights can absolutely be passed or failed on the basis of a 20% damage difference, or even just a difference in the timing of said damage. Theirs actually have DPS checks.

Ion no matter how much THE COMMUNITY hates him is a dev that understands his game and knows how it works, which is why THE COMMUNITY has such a hard time grasping things such as meaningful choices like covenants because the majority of them dont know how to play an RPG and think googling the best build not only makes them a good player but it is how you play an mmoRPG.

Ion knows that every spec can clear mythic and more importantly you are meant to use your brain and figure out how to do things with your comb's tools instead of "change to X spec cuz its how you do the fight, limit told me", but like you said, someone's epeen will drop if they have to wait a week for gear to pass a dps check they are currently unable to because they dont use the most broken specs and metaslave comb possible, and I know that is literally worst fate than death for the people whose self worth is based on video game achievements.


I can agree that his balancing is quite terrible, after all they created templates in pvp in legion only to barely use them while the whole point of easy to manipulate template is quick and often changes to break metas fast, but he still understands the game far better than THE COMMUNITY, at least in terms of class and raid design cuz he is absolutely hopeless in terms of casual content.

[Shurrikhan]

Ion no matter how much THE COMMUNITY hates him is a dev that understands his game and knows how it works, which is why THE COMMUNITY has such a hard time grasping things such as meaningful choices like covenants

Damn, I stand corrected; BroFists has nothing on you. 10/10, mate.

[Liam_Harper]

Ion no matter how much THE COMMUNITY hates him is a dev that understands his game and knows how it works, which is why THE COMMUNITY has such a hard time grasping things such as meaningful choices like covenants because the majority of them dont know how to play an RPG

Ah yes, the "we know better" and "you're just playing our game wrong, it's actually great, you're just idiots" attitude. Brilliant. Sure, Blizzard hasn't seen a hint of my money for over 3-4 years now and is now facing a mass exodus, but they do know best. How dare we not see that and give them the money they deserve.

[Jojoya]

Ion no matter how much THE COMMUNITY hates him is a dev that understands his game and knows how it works, which is why THE COMMUNITY has such a hard time grasping things such as meaningful choices like covenants because the majority of them dont know how to play an RPG and think googling the best build not only makes them a good player but it is how you play an mmoRPG.

What Ion understands is how the game is engineered. After all, he did create Elitist Jerks when he was just a player to form one of the first major theorycrafting communities for WoW. He was the one who broke down the numbers to prove that it was mathematically impossible for players to beat C'thun as it was originally released.

He understands the engineering. He was a great Lead Encounter Designer. He knows what makes a game fun to those who like number crunching (the engineering aspect) because that's the type of player he was.

He does not understand RPGs nor does he understand what makes a game fun to the average player, and that is why the game is currently having problems. They're trying to engineer complex systems they find challenging to design without understanding those complex systems are not fun to play.

If MSQ actually worked as a tutorial, no one would complain about stuff in lv80 duties.

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

[Zarkovitch]

When you boost a character. You should get how to play this job 101. Because, it going affect community when endwalkers is out. I remember when shadowbringers release there was a person who doesnt know how to use shirk as tank on a extreme primal. I was malding on my screen.

[Mostly_Raxus]

these are things you ask before pull xD

granted most extremes are a free kill once everyone can dance i wouldn't call them hardcore content, but that is one of those few skills you never use untill that point in the game, you got to learn sometime, you can go 1-80 without ever learning shirk, its useless till you get to fights with real tank swaps

[Jojoya]

When you boost a character. You should get how to play this job 101. Because, it going affect community when endwalkers is out. I remember when shadowbringers release there was a person who doesnt know how to use shirk as tank on a extreme primal. I was malding on my screen.

SE can't create a "how to play [job] 101" tutorial in-game because that's going to change every time they do job updates. That would end up a significant waste of development time on ephemeral content that frequently needs to be replaced instead of spending it on lasting content.

Players who want to learn can go online to look up the latest guides. They can start with the job guides posted on Lodestone for the basics then move to more in depth player created guides.

If a player isn't doing that, it's their choice. SE can't control their choices.

[Faafetai]

If MSQ didn't work fine as a tutorial, everyone would be failing at 80.

Honestly no, msq does not work as a tutorial until maybe stormblood possibly the dungeon at the end of post heavensward. Post stormblood was amazing and actually had some fun tank mechanics mixed into one of the fights, and the starting fight aaaaallll the way in bozja. That is for msq in general not counting dungeons for all of that or trials. The first Trial that was perfect was Odin, but not many do that early, so to pick msq ones maybe Nidhogg. Best dungeon for teaching would have to go to The Great Gubal Library. This is for the first dungeon I was in that actually taught me things, but not everything I would have liked to know. Alliance raids does not even let you interact with the other tanks to learn how to cover, shirk, nothing. I knew those things existed, but not having any need or ability to do it made me assume it would not be important until it was. I would have liked practice, a need to swap, the other tank to not have removed their shirk button off of their bar because they are the manliest of men and 'will not shirk' else their manliness be questioned for they are the MAIN TANK the only tank that other tank voking so they don't receive the final stack that killed them already 2 wipes into the fight.

If all of the class quests were like the start of gunbreaker and dancer I would not be here, but you do not get those classes until you are already 60. Scholar has been okay so far despite having to physically target everyone. Summoner was good too, but let me tell you that paladin quest line until the tournament arc undergeared, I didn't even have to use cooldowns, I had no practice with them, if I did not play swtor prior I would have been so darn confused.

Edit: I forgot! You can not even shirk to the big kitty mans in the gunbreaker quest. Also I forgot every one of the monk quests never giving you time to practice positionals. Out of all of the class quest that actually could use someone tanking for you within the story, this is it! This would have been helpful of all of the times someone has tanked for you within the other class quests T_T It has only taught me that being inside of the enemies hitbox more times than not will allow me to cheese the positionals.