Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Puremallace]

I know I am going to ruin 70 pages of this entire thing but seriously guys I do not play FF14 to do anything seriously. If I wanted that stuff I would install like 12 addons with 5 weakauras and be back over in WoW min/max'n my character no lifing and ruining my marriage avoiding my kids.People play FF14 because it is laid back and fun.

Lets keep it that way because I am having fun.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I know I am going to ruin 70 pages of this entire thing but seriously guys I do not play FF14 to do anything seriously. If I wanted that stuff I would install like 12 addons with 5 weakauras and be back over in WoW min/max'n my character no lifing and ruining my marriage avoiding my kids.People play FF14 because it is laid back and fun.

Lets keep it that way because I am having fun.

This isn't about being serious. This is about someone that literally uses less than 1/4 of their jobs' kits because they don't like how they look.

[Puremallace]

This isn't about being serious. This is about someone that literally uses less than 1/4 of their jobs' kits because they don't like how they look.

Hey guess what I have played for years and NEVER DONE A SINGLE Savage in the current tier. I prefer to keep up the delusion that the 70 pages of this thread does not exist where the FF14 community is not identical to the most toxic aspects of the WoW community.

At some point the people that play this game hardcore need to realize people are used to this idea of GUILDS and statics are the most silly thing we have ever seen. Playing with people who think like you is called a GUILDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD in every single other MMO.

Drop this incredibly dumb outdated concept of statics and just form guilds dedicated to hardcore raiding. Stop trying to get casual players to be like you. You being you is what makes you special. Why would you want to dumb down your own accomplishments?

All I see here is 71 pages of accomplished players yelling at other on how they would make casuals into elite players.

[Seera1024]

Hey guess what I have played for years and NEVER DONE A SINGLE Savage in the current tier. I prefer to keep up the delusion that the 70 pages of this thread does not exist where the FF14 community is not identical to the most toxic aspects of the WoW community.

At some point the people that play this game hardcore need to realize people are used to this idea of GUILDS and statics are the most silly thing we have ever seen. Playing with people who think like you is called a GUILDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD in every single other MMO.

Drop this incredibly dumb outdated concept of statics and just form guilds dedicated to hardcore raiding. Stop trying to get casual players to be like you. You being you is what makes you special. Why would you want to dumb down your own accomplishments?

All I see here is 71 pages of accomplished players yelling at other on how they would make casuals into elite players.

No one's asking for casual players to become elite players.

The thread is mostly about how the game could do better at teaching skills for the game inside of the game. With a little side of trying to get a player and her husband to realize that it's not nice to always force strangers to carry her through content because she only uses the skills she deems cool - which is about 2-3 of them. And then go around and yell at others asking for players to play a different way than they like.

[Faafetai]

No one's asking for casual players to become elite players.

Wake me up....when September ends

We have tried to say this so many ways, but everyone just comes back to elite casuals and buzz word buzz word random debate about speed running. I miss when everyone was giving some cool ideas, and explaining their frustrations they felt with the pre-existing 'tutorials' aka millions of pop up windows I disabled and told myself I would read those later.

[SomeRandomHuman]

All I see here is 71 pages of accomplished players yelling at other on how they would make casuals into elite players.

You mean the 2 or 3 pages you actually read and then assumed?

If you had any semblance of understanding about this thread you'd know what the hot topic is.

Since when is asking someone to use more than 2-3 skills in level 70+ content turning casuals into elitists? Since when is asking someone to know their basic rotation in level 70+ content turning casuals into elitists? It's not.

Go back and read the whole thread before you try to come in here and throw your self-appointed weight around.

[SannaR]

Also I see how in over the time I was at work this thread got so damn high in page count. Jiminy Crickets this thread needs to be locked. Any time this thread tries to finally find a middle ground the same three posters wake up from their nap or whatever and start the same loop while a new new person to the thread comes and doesn't understand what this thread is about or even asking for due to people going five rounds with the same three people who'd rather just keep the discussion going in a never ending loop of "How Dare anyone ask for any way to improve the overall player base" tag teamed with "No one should care at all if or how anyone else plays as long as everyone is polite. Better yet just says nothing cause nothing but politeness matters. And everyone should just stop using the DF and PF only." While anyone who wants something to help improve the overall player base should feel shame for wanting it. Not that there aren't some who feel the other side shouldn't feel shame for being ok with ice mages ect and trolling.

[AlexionSkyllark]

Some people just don't care whether they finish a dungeon in 22 or 25 minutes. I'm included in those, BTW. And I'm a static leader, for a casual-to-mid (leaning more towards the first) group. And I trained my members to play extremely conservative and only worry about dealing as much dmg as needed to kill the boss, every other ounce of concentration should be spent on staying alive and doing mechanics.

The results? I've beaten more bosses with these guys than EVERYONE thought possible. And I couldn't care less about skipping mechs, since we can actually DO everything.

[Shurrikhan]

Some people just don't care whether they finish a dungeon in 22 or 25 minutes. I'm included in those, BTW.

Did I miss someone here complaining about a run going 13% longer, for that difference in time itself, rather than just blatant disregard for others' time when someone refuses to use the vast majority of their kit?... Admittedly, there have been many pages by now, but it seems like the majority of them have been spent reexplaining a point to the contrary, or strawmanning to force out said reexplanations ad nauseum...

And I'm a static leader, for a casual-to-mid (leaning more towards the first) group. And I trained my members to play extremely conservative and only worry about dealing as much dmg as needed to kill the boss, every other ounce of concentration should be spent on staying alive and doing mechanics.

The results? I've beaten more bosses with these guys than EVERYONE thought possible. And I couldn't care less about skipping mechs, since we can actually DO everything.

Nice.

Irrelevant to the thread at hand, but grats.

Just as a personal preference -- not as leader but just as a particular player -- I like to optimize my skills from the start, but that's mostly because I have issues with focus and the muscle memory created by optimizing things out precisely from the start (X being used at precisely Y moment) actually makes the mechanics far easier to perform, since every pivotal CD used is a reminder of the mechanic timings around it. If I learn just the mechanics and then need to optimize later, I'd have completely removed the assistance that optimization could provide for my sense of timing, and would likely disrupt what learning I've built over the fight so far. /shrug

Death penalizes damage, real and theoretical maximums, both in downtime and via the damage debuff. For most players likely to go into Savage, that extra bit of effort that might add a significant risk of death, then, does not warrant that risk. It's solely those who insist that even using just the majority of one's toolkit is unnecessary, and whose throughput already falls below that caused by a permanent Weakened debuff, who are pertinent to this thread, though.

[Shurrikhan]

You have to remember that Wow refugees are used to toxic runs where being new is worth being kicked for an overgeared replacement..

Why are people so eager to speak on the behalf of communities they clearly know little about?

You cannot overgear WoW leveling dungeons because of scaling. Your sustained dps is higher the lower level you are, to the point that not having at-level gear is hardly a problem compared to just being high-leveled. Even if one wanted the fastest possible run, they'd sooner kick the overgeared guy than the sprout-equivalent, because the overgeared guy increases the HP of mobs by a ratio greater than his damage exceeds the sprout's.

In the hardest dungeon content available, M+, you literally cannot replace those you've kicked. It automatically fails the run.

The only place where gear somewhat matters in casual endgame dungeons in the equivalent of Level 80 Dungeons Roulette, and even then people would much rather you just have a decent notion of what you're doing and not be an ass than be overgeared. Apart from obvious griefers or blatant leeches, no one is more likely to be kicked that the overgeared guy speeding ahead pulling CC-casting mobs or soloing bosses while people catch up from fear/stun-locks the guy overwhelmed them with.