Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Nethereal]

I'm going to give you some advice...Grow up. Notice how I said that is how I feel, and that I don't push my standards on others? I also speak from someone who played Mud games, and older MMORPGS. Never once did we have this view of. Well we need to play our best because of others.


I think it is a very childish mindset, and selfish one at that. It seems like the only reason people want players to play better is because they want harder content to be design, and they want to get the DF groups faster done without having to deal with said players.


The ego behind the statement that people got to meet your standards in a pug or that people should "care" because they group with others is amazing. It even goes against the nature of what an RPG is.

Unfortunately you did not say that is how you "feel" as if you did a simple search on the page you would find you only use the word "feel" twice, neither referencing the 1 time you just brought up.

Implying that you subscribing to trolls intentionally disrespecting, sabotaging, and hurting your fellow man isn't selfish is on a level of itself.

People don't want players to get better, they want them to try their best, that's it.
Sure they want to get things done faster, who doesn't but that's not the point anyone is making here, that is something you are deciding the topic is about. That's called a strawman.
The topic has always been about how the game has failed to inform players while the community is the one who suffers as a result.
And trying to offer solutions will get you dragged down, named and shamed by toxic people(not casuals) who label you an elitist for daring to have a constructive though.

There is an irony here so amazing that if it could take physical form it would create the 2nd big bang.

Honestly all the best to you, hopefully you learn to look at the forest instead of the trees, it's not just you on this earth.

[Wavaryen]

Ugh.. and of course Ralph returns to grace the discussion with their interesting ideas.



The heck are you even on about? You can read can you not? But you know what, a cursory Google search told me all I ever wished to know.. perhaps too much.

Is this you? It looks like you. https://i.imgur.com/JKDrTtH.png

Niiiiice, sexist too what a peach.

You can sit there and pretend to be suuuuuch a nice person cantcha. Get some help you really really need it. You and your wife with the same fricken name on forum after forum after forum acting like spoiled children.

I do not have to strawman you or engage you in anything. I am not your wife, I gain nothing from this idiot slapping contest and was willing to ignore this or allow sleeping dogs to lay. You keep pushing buttons though, keeeeeep on pushing. Maybe others will finally ignore these narcissistic troglodytes so we can resume speaking as adults.

"Hissy fit" is a vast understatement.

Do I need to go and show you post history as well? Where you clearly said you was trying to get a rise out of people? Nah. and oh ya I recall that thread. My wife had a stalker in the game, and at the time the CS was not very helpful. I sunk at the level of the people attacking me and STILL did not get banned, and proved a point that they need to do better.


I got a good chuckle reading that. That was a blast from the past thank you. I'm so glad the game is much much better now with the CS.

[MiaShino]

"nice fake screenshot"
"it's been years ago lol"

PFfffffffff my poor tummy! Many thanks that made me laugh much harder than it should.

Have you seen their fricken Twitter? By the twelve..

Do I need to go and show you post history as well? Where you clearly said you was trying to get a rise out of people?

Go riiiiiight ahead cupcake.

[Rinhi]

How many of each there are in the game percentage wise is irrelevant to my point.

Players should be team players when entering multiplayer content. No matter which side of the coin a player is on.

That's my point.

I know and I'm fully in agreement with you

[Nethereal]

If THE COMMUNITY doesnt care about making their own builds and making their own meaningful choices and instead google what is best in an mmoRPG, yeah, they clearly have no clue how to play.

Just like the people brainlessly follow raid clear guides instead of thinking of their own tactics based on their own available comp and its advantages, the amount of clueless people who killed frieda first at the start in Nathria cuz the elite guide told them so when her last effect was mainly a healer/tank check which was incredibly easy to deal with if you had competent healers/tanks (Which is a lot easier to have than literally more than a dozen of mechanically competent dps) proves that, THE COMMUNITY is the problem.

Ion himself repeatedly talks about how players are meant to THINK and make decisions, instead a majority of WoW players never think and brainlessly follow guides which is why they fail so much at some points because guides cannot cover the entirety of the game and all its possible situations.


These mentors sadly feel ENTITLED to the rewards so they will instantly pretend to be the victim if they dont get their way, dealing with it is not an option for them sadly.



Fun fact, vast majority of gamers do not know how to communicate because their insecurities and dependence on video game achievements for self worth leads them to be insulting, offensive, condescending or thinking they are a great leader that should be followed and get offended when people ON THE INTERNET dont listen to their commands, like who do they think they are lmao.

Their inability to communicate is the problem which is sadly why mentors should never have been a thing outside of very select few people that have proven their ability to talk and are placed on a higher standard unlike the behavior we see here from the average mentor who is so entitled to rewards and dont want to MENTOR that it shows how flawed the entire idea is, most gamers are simply not capable of communicating and are lacking many interpersonal skills.


I mean he is merely speaking the truth, any player who goes around using the term "git gud" is instantly in that category because no mentally healthy individual that honestly wants to help uses that term because it knows it is both insulting and it shows a great deal of insecurity, like he said "smug neck beards looking down on others and refusing to help just to make their mediocre achievements feel greater"

Sadly many gamers do that because their self worth is based on video game achievements and if you dont have actual irl achievements looking down on other people in video games helps you make you feel like you have achieved something big, it is a common method of indirectly boosting one's weak ego.

[Wavaryen]

Oh ya, that person I attacked called my wife some names, and said the stalker was prob a ex or some stuff. So at that point, I just went off on them to show just how bad the CS is. I broke all the rules I could and did not get in trouble.


I don't really need to "defend" myself, but that shows just how far the game has come.

I think that was during heavenward?

[Faafetai]

It is not up to the other players to care about what is fun for you. You are right when I said build a social network that allows you to do that. In a pug setting you are not entitle to the rewards, and to force players to care about you or your fun. It has nothing to do with being a decent person. It is a game, and if you can't accept that sometimes you will get a group that fails, or a group that does the content longer. That is on you, not anyone else.

No it is up to other players to be decent human beings. I said ad nauseam that you seem to skip over that I do not care if content takes longer or that the group fails. You can repeat that line of dialogue over and over again but it will never be true. I can accept it will not always go well, I can accept people being rude. It just blows my mind a game that has a duty finder has people like you(people who don't care) in them.

[Wavaryen]

No it is up to other players to be decent human beings. I said ad nauseam that you seem to skip over that I do not care if content takes longer or that the group fails. You can repeat that line of dialogue over and over again but it will never be true. I can accept it will not always go well, I can accept people being rude. It just blows my mind a game that has a duty finder has people like you in them.

I don't understand how being decent has anything to do with a game setting, or people caring about your fun in a pug.

[Ralph2449]

Another good example of how Ion doesn't understand what the average player wants.

They're not playing the game to THINK. Most people have to spend way too much of their day thinking at their job or at school.

They're playing the game to HAVE FUN.

Oh are they gonna complain too if they get beaten in an RTS video game because "they want to have fun, they dont want to THINK"? Thinking is part of many games, mmoRPGs included.

If all they want to do is have brainless fun without thinking they should be playing some simple game where you spam 1 button to kill things and feel STRONK.

Mmorpgs were always about choosing builds of your preferred playstyle and thinking of how to use your comb's advantages to beat an encounter, if gamers these days has such a hard time thinking how to solve problems and think they can facesmash their way through everything by reading a guide, then it sounds like THE COMMUNITY is the one at fault just like i said.

MMORPGs and many other games are not designed for the "me spam 1 button, me crash enemies" crowd but sadly big games attract people who have no interest in the design of said game just so they can be part of the "popular" thing.

[Wavaryen]

DF is not a Linkshell. Pugs are not part of your guild/ls or whatever. The people in it, don't have to care, should not have to care about your feelings. It is not his or her place to do it. You can build a community for that, but it has no place in a pug setting. It is your job to handle your own fun, and if dealing with these types of people ruins your fun. Than don't do that content.