Remove Extremes from Mentor Roulette

[CKNovel]

So mentors will just leave everything not an EX trial because they'd rather fish for the 10 clears per roulette? Most of the mentors out there are only mentors for the achievement rewards. They only want the mount and then they'll discard the crown forever.

Nah. They'll stay for the simple thing because every step, even small, is a step.
But at least if you manage to clear the EX, even if it takes an hour, it will be worth the hour. If you leave a full party you can't queue again for 30 mins.

Currently mentors fish for simple content and leave if they see it will take the whole hour. Making Extreme a massive rewards will make it look like a no-brainer and they would try to complete it.

[van_arn]

Most mentors only pull out mentor roulette for giggles when they’re bored due to the laughable rewards. The achievement mount can take months to complete, so there’s just no point in focusing it.

This is also why it’s so easy for them to just peace out when they get Praetorium or an extreme; no need to stick around for an hour for 10 tomestones.

The penalty for leaving is less than the penalty for staying.

[Nethereal]

Most mentors only pull out trial roulette for giggles when they’re bored due to the laughable rewards. The achievement mount can take months to complete, so there’s just no point in focusing it.

This is also why it’s so easy for them to just peace out when they get Praetorium or an extreme; no need to stick around for an hour for 10 tomestones.

The penalty for leaving is less than the penalty for staying.

You know it.

[ForteNightshade]

So mentors will just leave everything not an EX trial because they'd rather fish for the 10 clears per roulette? Most of the mentors out there are only mentors for the achievement rewards. They only want the mount and then they'll discard the crown forever.

EXs are far too inconsistent to ever be worth fishing for through Mentor Roulette. If you're just after the reward, getting dungeons and guildhests will be much faster even with the suggested boost. It would, however, make staying more worthwhile because hey, if you pull it off, you get a huge boon. Right now there is literally zero reason to stay in EXs unless you just want to help. Even genuinely good mentors often get frustrated over time because people simply don't listen.

There needs to be something to better incentivize EXs or they just shouldn't be there.

[Ralph2449]

Nah. They'll stay for the simple thing because every step, even small, is a step.
But at least if you manage to clear the EX, even if it takes an hour, it will be worth the hour. If you leave a full party you can't queue again for 30 mins.

Currently mentors fish for simple content and leave if they see it will take the whole hour. Making Extreme a massive rewards will make it look like a no-brainer and they would try to complete it.

But according to certain "elite" mentors who keep queing for extremes somehow keep meeting those ultra bad scary casuals that never improve and keep dying to the same mechanic every fight while that not only is absurd, it shows how clearly biased they are to believe those dirty noob casuals never improve. (Which btw, if you think about it, implies them improving is something pretty great so indirectly boosting their own self worth by believing those ultra noob casuals that never improve are a thing)

Increasing extreme rewards wouldnt be a bad idea at the start, but you know if they cant get their way and because they feel entitled to the rewards just like they feel entitled to quick roflstomp runs, in that case they ll start trying to kick everyone who doesnt listen to their superior advice and do exactly what they say, especially since they often fail to communicate appropriately and think they are somekind of leader that gets to command people so of course that attitude will piss people off which might decide to just troll them for their bad behavior.

When I qued for HW extremes even though we had wipes most of us really wanted to beat the boss so we got it down after a few wipes because we learned the mechanics better, everyone improved and beat it, that includes those sprouts and casual players who have no reason to keep failing mechanics since it becomes pretty clear what needs to be done, and there's no elitist going around attacking them or trying to command them.

[Nethereal]

But according to certain "elite" mentors who keep queing for extremes somehow keep meeting those ultra bad scary casuals that never improve and keep dying to the same mechanic every fight while that not only is absurd, it shows how clearly biased they are to believe those dirty noob casuals never improve. (Which btw, if you think about it, implies them improving is something pretty great so indirectly boosting their own self worth by believing those ultra noob casuals that never improve are a thing)

Increasing extreme rewards wouldnt be a bad idea at the start, but you know if they cant get their way and because they feel entitled to the rewards just like they feel entitled to quick roflstomp runs, in that case they ll start trying to kick everyone who doesnt listen to their superior advice and do exactly what they say, especially since they often fail to communicate appropriately and think they are somekind of leader that gets to command people so of course that attitude will piss people off which might decide to just troll them for their bad behavior.

When I qued for HW extremes even though we had wipes most of us really wanted to beat the boss so we got it down after a few wipes because we learned the mechanics better, everyone improved and beat it, that includes those sprouts and casual players who have no reason to keep failing mechanics since it becomes pretty clear what needs to be done, and there's no elitist going around attacking them or trying to command them.

[DontReadThis]

I apologize to all the mentors I made carry me through the ARR extremes back when I was a sprout. I didn't know about party finder back then or that I would be able to solo unsync them when I was a higher level.

[Anhra]

The Mentors in this Thread should stop being such big babies themselves and not just blame anything that goes wrong to the new kid(s) arround the block. People can and will make mistakes and it IS your responsibility as a Mentor, to help them to the best of your abilities. If you dont like it, then stop being one.

Mentor Requirements should be alot higher than they currently are, since the amount of bad Mentors is just as bad as the amount of "bad players" they are suppoest to cater to.

[ZedxKayn]

The Mentors in this Thread should stop being such big babies themselves and not just blame anything that goes wrong to the new kid(s) arround the block. People can and will make mistakes and it IS your responsibility as a Mentor, to help them to the best of your abilities. If you dont like it, then stop being one.

Mentor Requirements should be alot higher than they currently are, since the amount of bad Mentors is just as bad as the amount of "bad players" they are suppoest to cater to.

No, it's not our job to teach a WHM to cast stone in EX content.

[Eien713]

But according to certain "elite" mentors who keep queing for extremes somehow keep meeting those ultra bad scary casuals that never improve and keep dying to the same mechanic every fight while that not only is absurd, it shows how clearly biased they are to believe those dirty noob casuals never improve. (Which btw, if you think about it, implies them improving is something pretty great so indirectly boosting their own self worth by believing those ultra noob casuals that never improve are a thing)

Increasing extreme rewards wouldnt be a bad idea at the start, but you know if they cant get their way and because they feel entitled to the rewards just like they feel entitled to quick roflstomp runs, in that case they ll start trying to kick everyone who doesnt listen to their superior advice and do exactly what they say, especially since they often fail to communicate appropriately and think they are somekind of leader that gets to command people so of course that attitude will piss people off which might decide to just troll them for their bad behavior.

When I qued for HW extremes even though we had wipes most of us really wanted to beat the boss so we got it down after a few wipes because we learned the mechanics better, everyone improved and beat it, that includes those sprouts and casual players who have no reason to keep failing mechanics since it becomes pretty clear what needs to be done, and there's no elitist going around attacking them or trying to command them.

I assume you're speaking from experience here? My dude, if you haven't set foot in Mentor Roulette, you'll never know how it is. If your assumption is correct, then why is it that Ex fights (except maybe Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan) have such low clear rates? Not to mention that there are some fights that are near impossible in DF. If people improved appropriately, why does the party still fail? It's because they don't. They make the same mistakes over and over and/or instapull and don't read chat. I don't expect people to clear in one go. Heck, I don't expect them to clear in under 30 minutes. And I do get that people make mistakes--we all do. But, dear God, you have no idea how those trials go in DF. My dude, we timed out in dungeons in Mentor Roulette, and that was even after we explained the mechanics.

The Mentors in this Thread should stop being such big babies themselves and not just blame anything that goes wrong to the new kid(s) arround the block. People can and will make mistakes and it IS your responsibility as a Mentor, to help them to the best of your abilities. If you dont like it, then stop being one.

Mentor Requirements should be alot higher than they currently are, since the amount of bad Mentors is just as bad as the amount of "bad players" they are suppoest to cater to.

Again, it's easy to judge from your high horse. Mentors help--they don't carry.