Remove Extremes from Mentor Roulette

[Wolwosh]

I don't run mentor roulettes anymore because of extremes.
Its hard to explain a fight when the sprout tank insta pulls, or when 6 of the people are German and ask you in German to explain it in German, because we all speak German on Light...
Most of these people are not ready for extremes, they can't tank swap, their DPS sucks.
Its easy to say that mentors are the problem, but if you're there to help, and nobody listens in an Extreme its gets very obnoxious after wiping on even Garuda Ex because they keep letting thevrocks get destroyed, because the Tank keeps turning the boss into the group

[Wolwosh]

And I actually like helping people. I'm not there for the rewards, because that mount makes you scream i don't have a life xD

[Eien713]

because that mount makes you scream i don't have a life xD

Not if you farm it over a couple of/few years (which is what I did). There's only so much a person's sanity can take :P

[Kurando]

Nah Mentor Roulette is fine, it's completely optional so possibly don't run it if you won't be happy with the duty you get. Though one of the main issues is that ARR extreme trials are actually quests you unlock, and they will stay in your journal list until you either clear the content or abandon it. This leaves new players thinking it's fine to just queue up for it through DF and they'll be as easy as their Hard versions, only for it to be far from the case. Granted some players adapt really well; with parties clearing within a couple of tries, but when you see warning signs of tanks failing to utilize cooldowns or healers spamming aoe heals with dungeon mentality even though people are dead, you can tell you'll be in the duty for a longer time than you had hoped.

[Dzian]

.It's also extremely unfair that Binding Coils isn't in Mentor Roulette because a lot of the fights are 'too hard' for new players, when you can get Nidhogg Extreme no problem at all.

Arguably the coil raids are the hardest raids in the game outside of ultimate.. Because every raid tier since has been deliberately made easier and easier for the sake of accessibility. Coil set a bar. Every raid tier since has just lowered the bar more and more..

Extremes are essentially a middle ground between normal and raids. They're significantly easier.

The issue though is that 99% of the game players get away with being lazy so they queue an extreme trial for the first time expecting it to be face roll..

The word "extreme" means nothing either. It's like "expert" dungeons.. anytbing but "expert" level difficulty.. in some ways you can't really blame the players because the game does stuff like this to try and tell players they're great when they're really not. so they can clear a dungeon of "expert" difficulty. it's not surprising to think they can take on an "extreme" difficulty trial. when the game is telling them they're expert level players.

[Ralph2449]

I say remove rewards from Mentors.

Many mentors seem to think becoming a mentor is just some form of elite status that gives them extra reward instead of you know, MENTOR, it is on the word.

As someone who has played on the JP DC, i was able to que up to heavenward extreme trials with duty finder, zephirot and sophia took like 5-6 wipes but we did it at the end because unlike what some elitists want you to believe, people arent so clueless that they ll repeatedly fail the same mechanic 10 times and it only takes a few wipes+echo to let everyone get through the extreme trial

[Nethereal]

I say remove rewards from Mentors.

Many mentors seem to think becoming a mentor is just some form of elite status that gives them extra reward instead of you know, MENTOR, it is on the word.

As someone who has played on the JP DC, i was able to que up to heavenward extreme trials with duty finder, zephirot and sophia took like 5-6 wipes but we did it at the end because unlike what some elitists want you to believe, people arent so clueless that they ll repeatedly fail the same mechanic 10 times and it only takes a few wipes+echo to let everyone get through the extreme trial

I mean that's cool and all but that's not really a response to the thread especially when you're citing anecdotal evidence from a totally different data center based around a completely different culture that focuses around using duty finder for clearing and not progging.

But tbh I don't think there's much to gain from this conversation since you think people are elitist for not wanting to be put in extremes with people who face pull instantly after wiping to the first mechanic 15 seconds into the fight 20 times.
You can't help people who don't want to be helped, elitism has nothing to do with it, hopefully you become more openminded in life.

[Ralph2449]

I mean that's cool and all but that's not really a response to the thread especially when you're citing anecdotal evidence from a totally different data center based around a completely different culture that focuses around using duty finder for clearing and not progging.

But tbh I don't think there's much to gain from this conversation since you think people are elitist for not wanting to be put in extremes with people who face pull instantly after wiping to the first mechanic 15 seconds into the fight 20 times.
You can't help people who don't want to be helped, elitism has nothing to do with it, hopefully you become more openminded in life.

The very notion that there's poeple who "are so hyper bad ultra noobs that facepull and never improve and keep dying with 20 seconds" is an elitist one by itself created specifically to make the person using it feel like they are above others often due to self esteem reason.

Vast vast majority of players, even average ones in most mmorpgs I ve played are not so ultra bad and hopeless like elitists love to say, most people learn from their mistakes and with mechanics such as the echo an extreme trial will be defeated after a few wipes, the people who are completely clueless rarely que for higher content but elitists keep pretending as if a few wipes are literally the end of the world and jump out because god forbid they dont have a quick efficient roflstomp to get their rewards and leave.

This is what it truly comes out to, Mentors and typical elitists feel so entitled to rewards that they believe anything other than a hyper efficient quick run is literally the worst thing to happen to them and start complaining about those ultra noobs ruining their run by not being efficient, truly 1st world problems.

So i absolutely hope they remove rewards from mentors because Mentors should become mentors to mentor, not for the rewards and titles.

[Nethereal]

The very notion that there's poeple who "are so hyper bad ultra noobs that facepull and never improve and keep dying with 20 seconds" is an elitist one

Going to stop you right there, you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people who do exactly that and it isn't because they're being malicious it's because they're new, don't care, don't know, or aren't using the same language.
You're massively projecting.

I haven't even read the rest of your post but based off the fact your argument revolves around a false equivalency I don't think there's much to see.

Hopefully you learn to be less hateful of facts.

[Ralph2449]

you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people

Ah yes, the flawless and cant do no wrong mentor that knows better than the "non mentors" whose view is to be trusted and listened to because they are mentors.

Not as if you are the first person who believes something completely false in order to make themselves feel superior. But hey keep telling yourself and others about those scary ultra bad casuals that never learn and keep queing in extremes for some reason all day and somehow keep wiping with 20 seconds consecutively and there's no bias from your side at all xD