Open World PvP

[linayar]

Cause I have beaten people higher level then myself as a mage in classic WoW.

That's why I said "usually."

[Eldevern]

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It sound weird to me to pretend looking for challenge in PVP to do greykill and complaining to be killed in a HL player vs HL player fight... And I've heard this kind of complaint several time. Then...

It's anti-gambling to see a HL player camping in front of the safe zone when LL don't have the choice to go somewhere else since they need to clear the area for MSQ (MSQ necessary to reach higher areas and gear). And many PVP game are not that populated, when you are alone in the area... hard to find mates to fight with you...

The result is players to leave the game and PVPers complaining :
the game is dying
there's not enough encounters
new players want PL
unbalanced factions
win trade
bot use
third part tools
etc.

I've seen so many times HL players doing what it needs to make new players disgusted and make them leaving the game... and HL to complain after that...

[Fland]

I'm disinclined to think that rewards equal something being mandatory. If someone really doesn't want to indulge in PvP, the presence of rewards does not suddenly make it 'mandatory'. Much in the same way as how despite enjoying collecting things, I haven't bothered with Ultimate as I have neither the time, patience or skill to tackle that particular bit of content.

Depends on the rewards and the requirements. During Garo events, a lot of players who never/rarely/hate playing PVP felt compelled to do it for the limited time rewards. And with not a lot of efforts since you can just spam FL/training, unlike the feast which also has limited rewards but has harder requirement.

[Awha]

That's why I said "usually."

And that is why I said I take what people say at face value and offered an explanation.

Edit

If someone says weaker people (in an RPG), taking them at face value would include people at lower level, especially when talking about open world PvP.

Which is not always the case, though taking someone at face value is taking what the say and only what the say without interjecting other views no matter how plausible. This is just how I like to approach issues so rarely people can say I misrepresent for their stance cause I just went based off the words they wrote or said.

Remember usually yes but not always so that is why when they clarified I said that is fair.

Rock paper scissor mmo combat is fickle like that going based solely off level does not always mean someone is weaker in the sense they have a disadvantage. Weaker in sense of raw numbers but gear and class can also cause that weakness but not mean someone is at a disadvantage Level is not the only key factor thus my statement and how their clarification cleared it it.

So no I do.not think taking them at face value is assuming they meant level no matter how plausible the assumption may be.

[linayar]

And that is why I said I take what people say at face value and offered an explanation.

If someone says weaker people (in an RPG), taking them at face value would include people at lower level, especially when talking about open world PvP.

[BaconBits]

If someone says weaker people (in an RPG), taking them at face value would include people at lower level, especially when talking about open world PvP.

[linayar]

Which is which in that image?

[Roeshel]

Technically speaking, the stone goose is going outlast the living one simply because it's made out of stone.

Theoretically speaking, a tree that's lived for centuries has had a greater impact on life forms than that of a high-school bully.

In a reality, if we measure strength only by how much you can destroy, then viruses are the strongest l̶i̶f̶e̶ forms on the planet by nature. It's the only thing they do and it's how they survive.

Humans can cause a disastrous event/calamity only for themselves, the life on earth is still going to flourish long after we caused our demise. So we being able to nuke ourselves is not a show of strength.

Strength is not determined by how much you can destroy it is much more complicated than that. It is a collective of many good virtues. And when you lack them it becomes visible. Destroying is easy, it is much harder to do the opposite which is where strength is required.

[Artemiz]

One thing I will say is I've played FF MMO's for over 15 years now, been active on the forums, watched the YouTube stuff, and been in every kind of LS and FC there is from the classic Noob clubs to Merc linkshells selling drops from the hardest content in the game. In all that time I have never seen any great desire for PvP. It just doesn't seem very popular in this franchise. As of yet other than "I would like it" nobody has presented a scrap of evidence that PvP is worth a lot of investment from the developers and what we have in the game, nobody really bothers with. "that's because it's not very good, if it was loads of people would do it" is an argument with a hard sell if it has no evidence to back it up.

I don't buy the toggle option, I think, and it has proven in many other games, that it isn't a perfect solution and we still get griefing against people who don't want to PvP. We need the developers to make a very robust system, which would take time, experience, money and probably a dose of luck.

The PvP server is a non starter for me to be honest, in the perfect world where everyone gets what they want then sure, you could have an ERP bang bro's server for all I care in the perfect world. The world isn't perfect though and as there are far more people who seem to want housing than seem to want PvP I would much rather those physical server resources be put into solving the housing problem, it would please more players that way.

The truth is PvP is niche in this game and always has been, improve that system by all means, but don't spend the company pot on something very few people are even asking for. Also, the comparison with difficult PvE content, which very few people clear. Final Fantasy, as a franchise has always had extremely tough fights for those that want it. In FFXI Absolute Virtue wasn't even supposed to be beatable for nearly 10 years, and every time some group managed it they patched it so they couldn't do that tactic again. Then we had the famous 18 hour Pandemonium Warden fight, tough fights are an FF staple.

[BaconBits]

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It's not that deep Aristotle.