Open World PvP

[Dragonblanco]

It was aimed at anyone who has rolled on a PvP server but then complains when PvP happens....

Complaining about PvP on a pvp server. Getting camped, barred from raids, not being able to farm etc . . .

Look, just because you create an account on a pvp server and want to do it doesn't mean you want to deal with griefing and everything. PvP server means while questing and you see someone you can kill of equal or near equal level, you may end up fighting each other. Or you may end up getting together with friends to go raid a major town. Things like that. But for a lv 80 to go kill lv 10s and camp them, continuously camping just to grief/troll...that's not what a pvp server is about. I mean, I'd be okay with them going and killing someone time or two when they see them, I mean, it's your enemy and why not? But there's always a limit and general idea of respect in these games. People who lose track of that respect for players and forget it's a game, that people need to level and do stuff too...they shouldn't be on these types of platforms. Just my thoughts anyway. I don't get why people want to be complete jerks and then say "you're on a pvp server, that means I can grief you all I want! Go cry to your mama!" or similar stuff...

[Awha]

Look, just because you create an account on a pvp server and want to do it doesn't mean you want to deal with griefing and everything. PvP server means while questing and you see someone you can kill of equal or near equal level, you may end up fighting each other. Or you may end up getting together with friends to go raid a major town. Things like that. But for a lv 80 to go kill lv 10s and camp them, continuously camping just to grief/troll...that's not what a pvp server is about. I mean, I'd be okay with them going and killing someone time or two when they see them, I mean, it's your enemy and why not? But there's always a limit and general idea of respect in these games. People who lose track of that respect for players and forget it's a game, that people need to level and do stuff too...they shouldn't be on these types of platforms. Just my thoughts anyway. I don't get why people want to be complete jerks and then say "you're on a pvp server, that means I can grief you all I want! Go cry to your mama!" or similar stuff...

In practice that is kinda how it goes. You made the choice to roll on a pvp server and that is the nature of a PvP server.

Guess you for me it boils down to people know people can be jerks or trolls yet still make the choice to roll on a PvP server then complain or act like they did not expect things to play out that way. Many will disagree but WPvP is not meant to be fair and sure getting ganked by higher levels is not fun for the one getting ganked ( main reason why I always have a friend near by or my main parked in the zone ) by that is just the nature of PvP servers. It just strikes me as odd how some seem to think PvP servers and WPvP means the encounters are meant to be fair.

Not 100% sure where people got that idea from. PvP servers at least from my experience were always just chaos. If we wanted fair or structured encounters we would use arena or other structured forms of PvP.

[Avidria]

It was aimed at anyone who has rolled on a PvP server but then complains when PvP happens. You are not the only one that has expressed such views in this thread, nor are you the only one that has brought up various reasons as to why one may roll on a PVP server. I get that some may play on PvP servers not because they like PvP but they want to play with friends or have a community that is already established on the server.

That said PvP server PvP is optional because one has to make the choice to roll on said server so any act of PvP. I get we will not get PvP servers in FFXIV, but your mindset is not that uncommon when it comes to PvP servers, which by in large makes no sense to me. End of the day one has to make the choice to roll on a PvP server.

Either way it was not solely aimed at you. LUL I mean most my time on WoW classic was spent listening to people in chat, discord, stream etc . . . Complaining about PvP on a pvp server. Getting camped, barred from raids, not being able to farm etc . . .

Yeah that's fair lol. Honestly I didn't even really complain much at the time. There were even times it was fun, when there were actually genuine fights happening. This was also during Legion and I was a dps DH so I had some pretty funny matchups... and some of the wild legendary effects were pretty funny too. Watched a guy straight kill himself attacking an AFK paladin once (I think it was a PLD at least, had some crazy passive reflect) and it was hysterical. It's totally one sided fights and the inability to shut it off that I wasn't a huge fan of.

Anyway yeah. If it's optional content, and I can choose to play on a not pvp server, I wouldn't really... care. I'd rather they improve the pvp we already have personally, but I also get some people like it as it is and I honestly don't even know what or how they could change it to make it feel less... un fun for me. Specifically the combat itself. I don't know how to put it into words really but it just feels horribly unsatisfying. Oh well.

[VelKallor]

Makes the choice to roll on a pvp server but gets annoyed when pvp happens.

Ganking a player way lower than you repeatedly when they have no chance of fighting back isnt pvp.

Its cowardice. Its griefing. It harassment. its disruption.

[Nanchi]

If the combat didn't suck as much in pvp I would be open for a pvp map that is located in the open world, not the entire open world.
The amount of times guilds chainblocked quest spots in other games to prevent players from advancing is staggering. Sadly pvp always has the nature of breeding trolls who are bored to death with their life and decide to make the game a living hell for a few targeted people. Now- if they changed the entire combat system around pvp, added meaningful CC, an actual dodge/disengage then maybe it could work, but not in its current state. I would love to see this game have meaningful pvp even if I don't participate often in it, it's a very popular game mode but looking at the community in general I'm not sure that even with an overhaul the mode would be played much.

[LunaJoy]

God please let me have the chance to ambush some poor sap running around the overworld and slap them with stuns, binds and interrupts. I would not hesitate to become the most obnoxious PvPer if open world PvP existed.

Welcome to the very reason we don’t want it

[BaconBits]

Welcome to the very reason we don’t want it

They call me the Morbol of Thanalan because I'm so TOXIC.

[Anhra]

I have zero issue with the people who care for that type of content.

my issue arises when pandering to that type of content screws up everything in pve so those people who like it have "balance". which has been seen before many times in many games because developers seem to be unable to separate pve and pvp abilities. its that simple.

But it does not affect PvE at all. FFXIV has a seperate Skillset that is used only for PvP related content.

Personally, i dont care if the PvE skillset and PvP skillset get merged or not, as long as PvP gets to function properly.

[Almagnus1]

But it does not affect PvE at all. FFXIV has a seperate Skillset that is used only for PvP related content.

Personally, i dont care if the PvE skillset and PvP skillset get merged or not, as long as PvP gets to function properly.

IMO it's better if they're separate. WoW has shown that having the two be the same will cause the PvE skillset to get nerfed because of PvP stuff and vice versa. It's better that the two are separate and then balanced towards the respective game mode. On a related note, assigning everyone stats for their jobs just makes things fairer and more skill based rather than PvP boiling down to whoever's got the best gear.

[Dragonblanco]

I'll say this, duels in any area would be nice instead of going to specific areas. Open world pvp usually sets up for griefing and invites the wrong type of energy. Final Fantasy is a role playing game with an immersive story and set for exploration. It is without a doubt a PVE style game that is supposed to invite community and togetherness. That is the overall target and what most subscribers seek. Often when a game invites a focus on PVP by adding things like open world PVP, it breaks apart community and builds on elitism. It's people who want to be better than others, point out who is stronger, etc. It becomes that fierce competition and hatred, rather than community. Granted, my phrasing there is off a bit, but I hope everyone reading this understands what I'm trying to say.

I do understand many come here from WoW or other places where PVP was a bigger portion of your time. There are nice pvp areas for those who want it. If you want the pvp, then go there for it. If players can't go to Wolves' Den Pier to duel and "settle disputes," then what makes you think it would change with open world pvp? What you're essentially saying in it is that you'd like someone who gets upset with others to be able to come grief them and attack. At least that's my perception of it all. Not to mention, why do you think "violence" would solve the dispute rather than the two people acting like the grown adults they likely are and just talking it out? lol

Don't get me wrong, I miss certain aspects of pvp. But I'm used to Final Fantasy as my first MMO was FFXI. I loved it. We had certain pvp areas (I miss Ballista) and mechanics, but we also were able to use all our skills in it...not the limited pvp skills like here in XIV. Then I had WoW and all with open world and there were times it was fun when we'd have a huge war going on. But I also remember the times I got frustrated by high level trolls who would show up to camp me and other lower levels who were just trying to level, quest, and have fun.

Biggest issue with world pvp though is the story. It's not like you can be from Garlemald and you're attacking Eorzea. We (the players) are literally allies with each other, with all enemies serving as NPC at this moment. Why would we have open pvp of killing each other in zones? Sure, maybe a small select group would say they would be role playing as spies of the empire or something, but do you honestly think we'd have that many doing RP that aspect on a regular basis? The big ask here for it to happen is to create a story that opens up the opportunity OR to then somehow create the option for people to make characters and play through the store as someone supporting the Empire. I mean, it could be done...but would be a lot of effort and money. You'd be changing FFXIV into a completely different game.