Open World PvP

[Theodric]

You are banging on far too much about this to then claim nonchalance.

I'm merely responding to posts on a forum. Which in itself is hardly a strenuous or in-depth affair. If someone were to call me, right now, I would answer the phone with similar nonchalance.

Even if one were to assume that such was not the case, would it not also imply that you are more overly invested in this discussion than you claim? Or is this but another case of 'rules for thee but not for me' at play?

[Neoyoshi]

Is Triple Triad open world? I can't remember. xD

[BaconBits]

When your in Ul'Dah and the sand starts speaking Lalafell.

"BY HALONE, THEY'RE IN THE SAND!"

[WoW]

Should allow us to PVP in limsa and get rid of all the catboys and those that AFK there.

[van_arn]

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now. It's jsut people who disagree with you giving their reasons for it. Don't be such a wallflower. If you want to go on about in-game toxicity I would say taking joy in,

Killing noobs,
ruining weddings,
ruining funerals,
trolling gatherers,
attacking low level players,
raiding towns,
etc...

Is far worse, and all have been suggested as perfectly fine and dandy ways to enjoy yourself.

The opposition to PvP has not even been on the same scale as the people who have put up arguments wanting it and why.

All of the above take place on an opt-in pvp setting, and are part of the package. The fact that you keep repeating this as an example of toxicity (especially when it's just part of this ruleset) just underscores how you are not capable of understanding why this might be appealing for anyone (especially someone perfectly sane) to participate in.

I'm sorry, but you're out of your depth. This is why I say people that don't enjoy open pvp can't comprehend jt. It's so utterly foreign to this peaceful type of player they simply can't comprehend why anyone would want to "interrupt their gameplay" with this style of play.

If you don't want to open yourself to danger, you don't have to. For those willing to opt in, it's an amazing experience that can tell stories that can rival the best parts of the MSQ-- because the players themselves made those stories happen.

Frankly, I don't trust the judgement of much of this community over what is toxic. It can't even see toxicity in itself, let alone elsewhere.

[Saito_S]

OP: I want open PVP so I can kill people I disagree with and kill unsuspecting players who are trying to progress the game in one way or another, creating a new threat to anything you do in the open world.

Most anti open-PVP: No that sounds horrible and not like the game we've enjoyed for howevermany years.

PVP "activists" : YOU HATE PVP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND/OR ARE SOFT!


..seems to be the last 10 pages.

basically lol

The hot takes in this thread are unreal. I haven't posted in ages, but continue to lurk and read threads (mostly for entertainment, because ye gods this place is uh... well, it IS entertaining, I'll just leave it at that). But I was compelled to write a bit after reading this whole ridiculous thread. Y'all are seriously acting indignant over people saying they don't want folks to be able to wantonly gank low-lever players or crash weddings and hunt trains uninvited and spinning that into "you don't want the game to grow and change! This is why it's stagnating!"

Wild.

Re: the sociopath comment - I certainly wouldn't be bothered by a random drive-by on a message board consisting of no more than "I was going to go with sociopath." And van_arm himself seems to not be bothered by it either, going by his reply to the comment in question:

Flattered; thank you!

So no need to white knight for him so hard, sheesh. Didn't think the "GCBTW!!"!" crowd would be so damn soft! Also, a bunch of people who like to spam GCBTW at every opportunity have said that they partly started banging on ABOUT GCBTW in the first place because they were sick of seeing too many FFXIV "positivity" memes, which is itself slightly ironic. I know which one I'm far more sick of seeing by now.

He's significantly more mature than the vast majority of naysayers in this thread.

Once again the FFXIV players supposedly so concerned with 'toxicity' prove to be among the first to resort to personal attacks and attempted character assassination of individuals they do not know in the slightest.

The idea that Lauront's "you're all so UGU SOFTY CAREBEAR" comment is more mature than people explaining why they don't want forced (non-opt-in) open-world PVP (because seriously... that's what most have been saying. This idea that they HATE pvp in general or would never "allow" opt-in open-world pvp was created out of nothing) is uh... singularly hilarious.

"character assassination" I mean really. "He's just being edgy" is not character assassination, my goodness me. It's just people picking at each other on a forum. If calling large swathes of the playerbase (including, by inference, basically everyone in this thread who is anti-non-opt-in open-world PVP) ugu softie carebears is "just memes! Not actually an insult! Lighten up!" then why couldn't you let something as mild as "He's just being edgy lol" pass without going into SERIOUS VOICE and scolding Artemiz about maturity and character assassination (the use of that term in this context still cracks me the hell up, by the way. That's probably why I keep writing it. Or maybe it's because I just like being wordy)?
Seriously though, on that note, why are the GCBTW types the quickest to take umbrage at the smallest little thing, yet they also cannot pass up ANY opportunity to drop a comment or a #GCBTW! meme, etc.? It's becoming an FFXIV-internal version of "SJW": it's just employed whenever someone says anything you don't like and thus, has lost whatever meaning it might have once had.

Great fun loving community by the way.

So being anti-ganking, anti-crashing weddings uninvited, anti-NON-OPT-IN open world pvp is anti fun?

lol

Feel free to reply, or don't, whomever reads my ramblings. I may or may not post again.

[Moonlite]

I wonder how much work it would be to turn on pvp skills all zones? Next if the skill part isn't hard what would one new server really matter? If we have cross data centre visiting coming we are talking three new servers globally. If the skill thing isn't an issue I can't imagine the server cost being an issue. Nothing truly relevant happens open world.



It feels like an easy pretend win for SE to me. People get open world PvP in their own little box and the rest of the player base never even has to think about it.

[Taebok]

24 pages arguing about something that has literally a zero percent chance of happening.
Cool.

[van_arn]

24 pages arguing about something that has literally a zero percent chance of happening.
Cool.

I know right? That's what I said 13 pages ago. It's been a wild ride. I'm even called a psychopath now; when do I get my ingame title?

[IDontPetLalas]

I guess I’m just a horrible person, because all of that is hilarious to me. I’d make an alt of the opposite faction to stoke the fury over the flight master getting taken out after taking out the flight master with my main.

Having played in a game with designed with OW PvP, having witnessed many shenanigans like this and more, sure it's funny the first few times. After that- really , not so much. Getting quest givers or flight transport NPCs getting blocked by a faction in one game that I played at strategic times, over and over, got to be rather tiresome, especially if PvP was not allowed in that area,

Mind you, in areas where PvP was allowed and we were able to kill the SOB doing that blocking - MY, was that ever satisfying.