Open World PvP

[Kes13a]

It’s not simply rebalancing. We have separate pvp skills from pve and the game isn’t set up to swap between those sets.

It’s all for nothing because even if they went through the Herculean task of making it possible, this community wouldn’t be able to handle it.

I love how its always the fault of the "care bears" not being able to "handle it" as opposed to the "irresponsible few" pvpers that do the griefing, newb targetting etc that everyone, including apparently pvpers, deplore, but always seem to come out of the woodwork when pvp is present. The blame isnt on the non pvp people or even on the apparent majority of those that like pvp. but you can certainly lay the blame on the shoulders of those who like pvp who have ruined its reception for the rest of you. it is because of them that you dont get teh reception to pvp inclusion as "an important part of the game" that you seem to feel it deserves. however, its never really been a part of this particular game.

yes, as people say, if you roll on a pvp world, you get what you get.

SURPRISE... no pvp worlds in FFXIV, wrong game.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

I think it's pretty strange for some players to accuse people of supporting 'bullying' because they happen to like PvP. Especially when there's many PvP enthusiasts who adhere to a sense of good sportsmanship.

I'm inclined to think that this is just yet another case of a vocal portion of the FFXIV community seeking to engage in a type of gatekeeping that disallows growth and varied content from manifesting because they cannot handle the simple fact that other people might want to see and enjoy something different to themselves.

I'm also not at all surprised that there's players in this game who are more concerned by the idea of PvP than abhorrent, inappropriate and highly illegal acts of ERP, though!

Well, we aren't talking about pvp here though with good sportsmanship- we're talking about wpvp which has always been the opposite. Unless it's fully opt in, wpvp is always going to be about stronger players destroying weaker ones, which does generally look like bullying.

Personally I wouldn't be against opt in wpvp servers, but I feel like that'd be a headache SE doesn't want, it just seems to create problems in every game. I'd absolutely be against making all servers have wpvp, since most players don't want it.

Furthermore- wpvp would have to work utterly different from how pvp currently works- since current pvp gives you standardized level/gear/abilities, but in the open world you'd have your pve gear/level/abilities. It would be very imbalanced, and either SE would have to put a considerable effort into balancing it (potentially at the cost of other things), or they'd leave it as is and we'd have to deal with people constantly complaining about their job's viability in wpvp.

[Theodric]

FFXIV takes the theme park approach as an MMO. It strives to have a little something for everyone, though for some strange reason a vocal portion of the community insist on stamping out anything that they themselves do not wish to see in terms of content even when and where there is a clear niche for it.

I think it's very strange and rather off-putting, personally. Especially when a lot of it is based on rhetoric around other MMO's. I don't think people need to go and play something other than FFXIV to get a specific bit of content that they like.

PvP is implemented in a way that is entirely optional. That wouldn't likely change and - shockingly - anyone who didn't like PvP would therefore not have to partake of it.

I just hope some of the upcoming MMO's end up providing some healthy competition for FFXIV so the developers are forced to do more to make the game stand out.

[DPZ2]

... and no bad blood between people.

< Flashbacks of non-PvP worlds with dozens of dead quest givers and flight masters, every day at 5 pm CDT/CST, for months and months >

< Flashbacks of Rogues in PvP, who could basically run circles around non-rogues in PvP on non-PvP worlds, killing every single NPC in an area you just flew in to in order to level up. Rogues who stayed around long enough doing it again and again in order to make leveling for the day a living hell for non-PvP players >

Sure. No bad blood. whatsoever.

Nope. The day open world PvP hits a server on FFXIV is the day I quit and spend my money on something else.

And remember, all you PvP fanciers out there who would shout "good riddance!" ... no bad blood between people. Pfui.

[SannaR]

There's a reason why the Feast can only use a limited selection of auto translated words and phrases. Because it got to a ridiculous levels of toxicity. You can also find it at times in Frontlines or Rival Wings. Especially if you don't go and do something the one person who is trying to drive the team says in alliance chat that they see as the ONLY thing you should be doing the instant the match starts. That any other strategy is to be ignored.

Would I want open PVP? No, because I doubt the devs who so far have more than once proven they haven't implemented PVP that's satisfying to those who already play it would then go and implement an open world versionof it. It barely gets any updates or changes. I would however not mind the ability to do PVP in more controlled areas. Many who are outright against it most likely have seen or been part of a system or game where there was barely any regulation. Like the really old WoW videos of people getting ganked left and right by a person or a group of people who are the only one's who are having fun. It would have to be an opt in option.

I doubt that they would make servers for this as over the years they have repeatedly chosen not to make or label the servers we already have as rp or raid servers. Not wanting to have anyone feel as though they can't create a character on those servers if they aren't into the few things the community has asked for when it comes to server labels.

[NW3]

Don't punish players that partake or even focus on PVP in FFXIV by reducing PVP rewards. They used to give more gear at the earlier levels, but which each expansion less and less PVP rewards.

Either way, SE must take note of the interest in PVP. It exists. So what will SE do? I hear on Twitch that SE doesn't pay much attention to PVP. That's something I hear often and frankly I wish it weren't so.

[van_arn]

< Flashbacks of non-PvP worlds with dozens of dead quest givers and flight masters, every day at 5 pm CDT/CST, for months and months >

< Flashbacks of Rogues in PvP, who could basically run circles around non-rogues in PvP on non-PvP worlds, killing every single NPC in an area you just flew in to in order to level up. Rogues who stayed around long enough doing it again and again in order to make leveling for the day a living hell for non-PvP players >

Sure. No bad blood. whatsoever.

Nope. The day open world PvP hits a server on FFXIV is the day I quit and spend my money on something else.

And remember, all you PvP fanciers out there who would shout "good riddance!" ... no bad blood between people. Pfui.

I guess I’m just a horrible person, because all of that is hilarious to me. I’d make an alt of the opposite faction to stoke the fury over the flight master getting taken out after taking out the flight master with my main.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

That's why you have the forums- nobody is stamping you out from talking about what you want from wpvp, they're just disagreeing with you.

You can keep asking for wpvp as much as you want, some will agree some won't- people will use examples from other places they've had wpvp because that's relevant to a conversation about wpvp. The parts that have gone wrong elsewhere can easily go wrong here too, and there are clearly issues outside that in simply how it will be done because the game isn't designed to have wpvp.

Keep in mind the way wpvp is almost always implemented is in a way that it isn't optional- so that is a fair reason for people to be concerned, especially since some of the people advocating for it here are saying they want to use it to settle disputes and target people they don't like in game.... which they would only be able to do if it wasn't optional.

[Delis]

< Flashbacks of non-PvP worlds with dozens of dead quest givers and flight masters, every day at 5 pm CDT/CST, for months and months >

< Flashbacks of Rogues in PvP, who could basically run circles around non-rogues in PvP on non-PvP worlds, killing every single NPC in an area you just flew in to in order to level up. Rogues who stayed around long enough doing it again and again in order to make leveling for the day a living hell for non-PvP players >

Sure. No bad blood. whatsoever.

Nope. The day open world PvP hits a server on FFXIV is the day I quit and spend my money on something else.

And remember, all you PvP fanciers out there who would shout "good riddance!" ... no bad blood between people. Pfui.

Way to take my quote out of context. You do realize we were talking about player run events and the people hosting the event having guards. My no bad blood was to the people attacking the event and the guards marching out and meeting the attackers and protecting the event. It was fun and no one had bad blood because they were doing it to have fun and we were having fun too. No where was I talking about attacking npcs etc. You would also quit if the game ever added pvp servers? Servers you dont have to play on. Talk about thin skinned and a bit childish. Oh no they added a server for people that like a certain content that I dont have to partake in. Guess its time to take my ball and go home. *sniff sniff*

[TaleraRistain]

Caur, I know you think the majority of the player base is dirt under your feet, but you can't honestly think to ask for non-optional open world PvP in THIS game, can you? Cause it sounds like you are when you say things like people wanting to quest would need to group up. How you remotely think that wouldn't lead to a giant cesspool in this game is beyond me.

You realize EverQuest is still going, still getting expansions, and (last time I looked) still has open PvP servers, right? Sounds like just the game that you could sink your teeth into.