Relo mechanics are Cancer

[Catstab]

Relocation (as it currently stands now) causes problems

The timer causes problems. Relocation is one tiny bit of relief to the giant problem that is the timer. Suggesting it's removal is seeking to make the game objectively worse.

<mass relocation means a> bunch of properties up for sale in the other wards - and those properties are going to give relos an advantage.

Working as intended. First time buyers are supposed to take the unwanted plots. Campers job is 'get anything' and relocators job is 'go where you want to be'

The relocation system is there to help people find their dream plots without ever having to negotiate the timer for a second time. It also allows relocators to claim a house and get right out of campers way immediately. You'd instead have relocators fight campers for 20 hours at the placard? And then the campers lose and it's the same situation we had, expect we wasted 40 man-hours of paying customer's time first. It's objectively making the game worse.

something else) that allows for the house to be assigned fairly

So right now, we have this great system wherein the first person to see an open plot who has also paid their dues by camping may claim that open plot as desired. So someone diligent and driven is rewarded with the house.

Your suggestion is that if someone else shows up an hour or three after it spawned and has never put any effort into housing before today, not only should our first player to arrive still be waiting for their reward rather than enjoying it, but these two players should be equal in their chances at a reward, despite one putting in more effort and therefore arguably having more desire.

Sure, and while we're at it, let's make the 430 weapons hit as hard as the 530 weapons. After all, you wouldn't want to give players any advantage for the time and effort they put in.

Removing elements that reward players who put effort into the game will always result in a reduction of the game's quality. Again, objectively making the game worse.

The point then, is acknowledging the problem exists, and once it is acknowledged, coming up with a solution so that SE can work with it.

Problem: The random timer damages play experiences for all first time buyers (you are requesting this feature is expanded to damage all play experiences for all players )

Solutions:
Higher prices.
More servers.
More wards.
More housing zones.

All of this is in the works, except higher pricing. The problem is going to stay bad, as long as the gil you get for following the MSQ is enough to buy a house.

Add gil sinks (gameplay gil sinks, not mounts), or buff house pricing to where it's actually a vanity feature rather than something 95% of players can afford and only 25% of players can be accommodated by.

[Almagnus1]

The timer causes problems. Relocation is one tiny bit of relief to the giant problem that is the timer. Suggesting it's removal is seeking to make the game objectively worse.

Keep fighting those windmills Don Quixote, especially those windmills that are telling you that I am seriously asking for the removal of the housing timer.

So right now, we have this great system wherein the first person to see an open plot who has also paid their dues by camping may claim that open plot as desired. So someone diligent and driven is rewarded with the house.

I wouldn't call a system that forces you to camp a plot of land for at least 10 hours as "great". Accidentally malicious is a better description.

Your suggestion is that if someone else shows up an hour or three after it spawned and has never put any effort into housing before today, not only should our first player to arrive still be waiting for their reward rather than enjoying it, but these two players should be equal in their chances at a reward, despite one putting in more effort and therefore arguably having more desire.

Please link the post from the last month where I have suggested that a raffle (or auction) time should be longer than an hour.

Again, you're fighting windmills Don Quixote.

Sure, and while we're at it, let's make the 430 weapons hit as hard as the 530 weapons. After all, you wouldn't want to give players any advantage for the time and effort they put in.

Stop comparing an overhyped vanity system with a game system that actually rewards hard work. The two are wholly incomparable.

Problem: The random timer damages play experiences for all first time buyers (you are requesting this feature is expanded to damage all play experiences for all players )

Solutions:
Higher prices.
More servers.
More wards.
More housing zones.

It is said that the definition of insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different result. Why are you suggesting an utterly insane solution to the problem?

[Catstab]

Keep fighting those windmills Don Quixote, especially those windmills that are telling you that I am seriously asking for the removal of the housing timer.

Look, Wishbone was a great show, but you can stop referencing your favorite episode every other post.

And I didn't say you were asking for the removal of the housing timer. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, I guess. I said that the housing timer is bad, and relocation is it's one saving grace, and asking for removal of the saving grace (relocation) is making the game objectively worse.

I wouldn't call a system that forces you to camp a plot of land for at least 10 hours as "great". Accidentally malicious is a better description.

Again, yes, you are right. The timer is bad, because it forces you to camp 10 hours. Relocation is good, because you can skip those ten hours! Hooray relocation.

It is said that the definition of insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different result. Why are you suggesting an utterly insane solution to the problem?

The result has always been "more people get houses." SE makes wards, and people get houses. SE makes worlds, people get houses. SE makes new zones, people get houses. See a pattern, here? Just because a solution does not induce perfection does not mean it doesn't work.

Moreover, ARR pricing in the modern era obviously hasn't been tried. So clearly it doesn't stand among all the (working) solutions you're attacking.

[Jojoya]

Moreover, ARR pricing in the modern era obviously hasn't been tried. So clearly it doesn't stand among all the (working) solutions you're attacking.

ARR pricing was intended to bleed servers of the excessive gil accumulated by legacy players, not create housing exclusivity and lower demand.

Who has that sort of gil now? The players who have been playing for several years and likely already have houses. Those who want multiple houses will still be able to buy more houses with their alts on other worlds using the MBs to move gil around, or buy them with alts on the same world using shell FCs.

40 million gil may not seem like a lot to you or me. We can buy multiple houses with the gil we already have.

For newer players, it's a huge sum. They won't have the gil and thus be cut out of the market. They're also going to have a much harder time raising the gil trying to get into the market as the crafting changes this expansion (and related bot incursion to the marketboard) have severely cut into profit margins on the MB.

That makes it all that much easier for the players who already have houses to obtain more because they don't have to put in the effort. They already have the gil at hand and the competition for what's available has been removed due to the price increase.

Increasing price doesn't reduce actual demand. It just reduces who's capable of buying with gil earned through normal game play, building resentment and encouraging players desperate to own a house to resort to RMT.

[Catstab]

For newer players, it's a huge sum. They won't have the gil and thus be cut out of the market.

That's ...... that's entirely the point. Did you not read my post or something?

5k houses, 20k people.

They only way to work this out is:
A. Make 15,000 more houses
B. Make it so only 5,000 of your 20,000 qualify for housing.

So if housing costs 40 million gil, people with 3 million gil are out playing FF14 doing quests and dungeons and crafting and hunts and raids, not standing around the wards being mad at every other player who is doing the same. 40 million takes a couple months to earn even today, and that's if you're taking your sweet time about it.

[Almagnus1]

That's ...... that's entirely the point. Did you not read my post or something?

5k houses, 20k people.

They only way to work this out is:
A. Make 15,000 more houses
B. Make it so only 5,000 of your 20,000 qualify for housing.

So if housing costs 40 million gil, people with 3 million gil are out playing FF14 doing quests and dungeons and crafting and hunts and raids, not standing around the wards being mad at every other player who is doing the same. 40 million takes a couple months to earn even today, and that's if you're taking your sweet time about it.

There are better ways to bleed gil from the economy other than promoting RMT for houses and slowing down the acquisition of gil for most players. FC houses make sense for the increased cost because you have a bunch of people working together... player houses do not.

[Jojoya]

That's ...... that's entirely the point. Did you not read my post or something?

5k houses, 20k people.

They only way to work this out is:
A. Make 15,000 more houses
B. Make it so only 5,000 of your 20,000 qualify for housing.

So if housing costs 40 million gil, people with 3 million gil are out playing FF14 doing quests and dungeons and crafting and hunts and raids, not standing around the wards being mad at every other player who is doing the same. 40 million takes a couple months to earn even today, and that's if you're taking your sweet time about it.

So why do you want to cut players out of the market? So you can feel like a special snowflake?

It will take the majority of players more than a few months to earn 40 million gil with the current marketboard conditions. They don't play enough hours per week even though they are playing weekly plus prices have severely tanked on the MB for most items due to crafting changes and the surge in bot activity in multiple areas of the game. They don't have 10 retainers on their character to flood the MB with everything and anything they get their hands on.

Sorry, I can't agree with cutting players out of the housing market just because they don't play the game the way you and I do. If a change needs to be made, it needs to be to force existing owners to make use of their housing on a regular basis instead of just needing to walk in once every 6 weeks to reset a timer.

[Almagnus1]

Look, Wishbone was a great show, but you can stop referencing your favorite episode every other post.

Go educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote

And I didn't say you were asking for the removal of the housing timer.

Your writing skills are such a travesty that no one really knows what you say, which makes it all the more easier for you to respond with a non-sequiter and drag someone for not having the proper response.

Again, yes, you are right. The timer is bad, because it forces you to camp 10 hours. Relocation is good, because you can skip those ten hours! Hooray relocation.

And in the process screw over someone else... but asking you to think unselfishly is a bit beyond you apparently....

The result has always been "more people get houses." SE makes wards, and people get houses. SE makes worlds, people get houses. SE makes new zones, people get houses. See a pattern, here? Just because a solution does not induce perfection does not mean it doesn't work.

Until proven otherwise, SE cannot roll out housing servers fast enough to meet demand, and it still does not address the complete unoptimized mess caused by grandfathered in houses and the shell FCs and it will not end any of the issues caused by a reloer bypassing a timer for a property that's being actively camped by a first time buyer and completely screwing over the first time buyer. Why continue to advocate for a system that is actively screwing over a segment of the player population that wants to participate in it?

[Catstab]

Your writing skills are such a travesty that no one really knows what you say

Don't meet many who struggle to read what I write, actually. Perhaps this is not your first language, perhaps it is. I don't know you.

I am fully aware Don Quixote is a book, in fact it was obvious from what I wrote. Wishbone is a show about books. My post was me guessing is was that show which had taught you of this particular book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishbone_(TV_series)

Re: "go find my posts" I am not doing research for you.

You currently have a post up saying "Relocation has got to go" and I don't care if you've edited it to act like it's tongue in cheek. Yoshi P has outright said they are looking at changes to relocation and people who are looking at things wrong and shouting on the forums about what they see have the potential to do a lot of damage. You have called for increased cooldowns of a month, you have called for an end to relocation altogether. I vehemently oppose either change in the case of an FC.

You have multiple times said "end grandfathering and divest multiple house owners assets" and I don't need to go digging in the forums to prove it. Ending grandfathering would hurt players and help almost nothing. It's a bad call, and SE knows it.

[Almagnus1]

Wishbone is a show about books. My post was me guessing is was that show which had taught you of this particular book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishbone_(TV_series)

You need to stop referencing things from your youth like it's relevant. That came out when I was in high school, I honestly didn't know it existed until you mentioned it.

Re: "go find my posts" I am not doing research for you.

You can't do that research because you know what you are looking for doesn't exist.

You currently have a post up saying "Relocation has got to go" and I don't care if you've edited it to act like it's tongue in cheek.

And it's not my problem that you can't understand hyperbole.

Yoshi P has outright said they are looking at changes to relocation and people who are looking at things wrong and shouting on the forums about what they see have the potential to do a lot of damage. You have called for increased cooldowns of a month, you have called for an end to relocation altogether. I vehemently oppose either change in the case of an FC.

Links please, or again, you're just making stuff up to support your position as you are want to do.