Apparently Yoshi-P thinks larger scale savage content is easier to get in to

[ForteNightshade]

Wasn't the dyable judge gear ridiculously difficult (tedious) to get even if you could regularly get groups for DR savage? It's actually kind of crazy to me how doomed it was from the start.

Sort of? It takes ten tokens to purchase the upgrade, which all drop from each boss. Queen has a chance to randomly drop the full upgrade. I suspect the devs assumed that would keep people investing, forgetting raid centric players aren't usually motivated by glamour. I've always found that an odd reward even with Savage. Rarely do I even use the raid sets, let alone care if they're dyeable.

[SturmChurro]

Sort of? It takes ten tokens to purchase the upgrade, which all drop from each boss. Queen has a chance to randomly drop the full upgrade. I suspect the devs assumed that would keep people investing, forgetting raid centric players aren't usually motivated by glamour. I've always found that an odd reward even with Savage. Rarely do I even use the raid sets, let alone care if they're dyeable.

What reward, or rather reward structure, could they have even implemented to DR Savage that would have kept players interested anyway? With the amount of hassle involved, I'm struggling to think of anything worth it. Not only for a few clears, but to keep players coming back to clear it regularly.

[ForteNightshade]

What reward, or rather reward structure, could they have even implemented to DR Savage that would have kept players interested anyway? With the amount of hassle involved, I'm struggling to think of anything worth it. Not only for a few clears, but to keep players coming back to clear it regularly.

Off the top of my head?

- Make all the Judge upgrade tokens sellable
- Drop significantly more Fragments
- Add in side upgrade pieces/tokens that apply greater buffs than simply Haste

What keeps BA alive even to this day is that every run makes you money. So for people who already enjoy that kind of content, they have more incentive to keep doing it even if it may not be the most efficient profit farm. DRS essentially having a cost require (gill or time) will likely render it dead content by Endwalker. Hell, every single Discord dedicated to it has gone extremely quiet since 5.5. Meanwhile, BA is still being run.