"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[linayar]

Either way this was less about how things are since I know it will never change more so how I wish SE would put aside their dated fear against parsing and toxic behavior and just punish it when it happens instead of trying to prevent it outright.

That's the thing. You cannot expect them to put aside their "fear" because of the way things are, which means it's not dated. Even if you think it can change once SE changes first, we already have alternative games for people who want unrestricted freedom of parsing and sharing of parse.

This is why, even though jaded members of the community dislike it and try to negate it, we do have new members who, from time to time, comment on this community being nicer. It's because they're comparing to their previous experience with other games. Even if this game has elements of toxicity as well, in some ways, it is also true that it is nicer in other ways, and SE restricting the use of parse is part of that difference that shapes this community, as the "way things are" currently.

[Awha]

That's the thing. You cannot expect them to put aside their "fear" because of the way things are, which means it's not dated. Even if you think it can change once SE changes first, we already have alternative games for people who want unrestricted freedom of parsing and sharing of parse.

This is why, even though jaded members of the community dislike it and try to negate it, we do have new members who, from time to time, comment on this community being nicer. It's because they're comparing to their previous experience with other games. Even if this game has elements of toxicity as well, in some ways, it is also true that it is nicer in other ways, and SE restricting the use of parse is part of that difference that shapes this community, as the "way things are" currently.

That is the thing I am not I am not expecting them to change cause I am sure they have their reasons for why the do things the way they do.

Though just because it is the way things are or the way they wish for things to be does not mean others cannot view their stance as dated or antiquated because it is based around a fear of potential toxicity.

You are right though I know SE restricting parsing is why people think our community is nicer and while I think that is a factor I do think other factors play a more prevalent role such as the easier nature of content in the game and the relative close class balance and viability across each role due to how close each job within their respective role performs relativity close to one another.

Though in the end sure we have other games we could play but hey one can wish for things to be different even if it is a pipe dream.

[linayar]

others cannot view their stance as dated or antiquated because it is based around a fear of potential toxicity.

How is it only a potential when it still exists even now even with the restriction? You've even said that it is more upfront in WoW, so we have evidence that it's not just a potential danger, but a real one that exists to a degree in this game and more openly in other games.

[Awha]

How is it only a potential when it still exists even now even with the restriction? You've even said that it is more upfront in WoW, so we have evidence that it's not just a potential danger, but a real one that exists to a degree in this game and more openly in other games.

As you said we already have toxic behavior in this game without parsing both of the elitist jerks side of things and the hyper causal side of things. So if we already have a form of toxicity and depending on who ask the degree of severity would differ.

So how are we to know parsing would make it worse? We may have an idea based around other games but this game is still considered one of the nicer communities despite the the flaws in the community would parsing in itself tilt the scales so far that it afters the community to such an extent? We really cannot say.

Also some could even say we have toxic behavior in the game regarding how people play be it pull size or lack of dmg while healing, not maximizing burst windows all of which we really do not need a parser for. So what harm can parsing really cause at this point?

In the end SE can try to police but things will always leak through so enforcement of what they view as toxic behavior seems like a better use of time instead of trying to prevent the behavior ( and depending who you ask not doing a great job at it ) by limiting the access to a tool that could help players improve.