"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[Awha]

I can understand this, but the reality is that's not how people will always work, and as a business, SE will tailor their game to how people react rather than the ideal that you want them to react.

So the solution on people's end is to not be rude. You may still get a negative reaction, but you'll likely also get more positive reaction. And at the end of the day, kick/disband/leave is still an option.

Or we get the another spectrum people just go the silent kick route and no longer offer help or criticism unless asked but because the game does a poor job offering feedback as to how ones perform people may be less likely to ask to help or advice. The tales of the duty finder thread does show that many experienced players have given up offering criticisms and advice due to people thinking they are doing fine cause the content was cleared. Sure it is a perception problem.

[linayar]

Or we get the another spectrum people just go the silent kick route and no longer offer help or criticism unless asked but because the game does a poor job offering feedback as to how ones perform people may be less likely to ask to help or advice. The tales of the duty finder thread does show that many experienced players have given up offering criticisms and advice due to people thinking they are doing fine cause the content was cleared. Sure it is a perception problem.

What do you mean "or?" I did say kick was an option.

And if people give up because of some perceived fear, then oh well, guess people can continue playing how they want.

[WoW]

Or we get the another spectrum people just go the silent kick route

Works like a charm. I ain't got time to teach someone how to play their job during my Sastasha speed runs.

[Awha]

Works like a charm. I ain't got time to teach someone how to play their job during my Sastasha speed runs.

Homie you doing it wrong if you have time to kick during a Sastasha speed run.

[WoW]

Homie you doing it wrong if you have time to kick during a Sastasha speed run.

It's fine, because we're doing it through PF. I don't use DF for that, since it brings my worst nightmare, a sprout!

[Awha]

It's fine, because we're doing it through PF. I don't use DF for that, since it brings my worst nightmare, a sprout!

Figured your worst nightmare would be a melee dps in a sastasha speed run.

[Katie_Kitty]

Like it or not, this is a multiplayer game. It's not toxic to expect people to actually read what their skills do and perform their proper rotation. Cry about it all you want, it doesn't change the simple fact.

[Awha]

What do you mean "or?" I did say kick was an option.

And if people give up because of some perceived fear, then oh well, guess people can continue playing how they want.

The or is in regard to people that wish to help and share knowledge to players but do not do so due to the general consensus when it comers to offering help. Thus the silent kick of difference of play styles which people do not like either. So we in some weird loop I think people would handle a reason with data as why they were removed with more Grace then I think SE or the community thinks, even if it was delivered in a rude way.

[linayar]

The or is in regard to people that wish to help and share knowledge to players but do not do so due to the general consensus when it comers to offering help.

Again, I already said a kick is an option if you're in the majority in the party, so that's a weird response to my post.

Either way, the general consensus is irrelevant, but whatever people choose to do, it's up to them as long as they don't violate the ToS.

Thus the silent kick of difference of play styles which people do not like either. So we in some weird loop I think people would handle a reason with data as why they were removed with more Grace then I think SE or the community thinks, even if it was delivered in a rude way.

In the short few years I've played MMOs, I've seen more people complain about toxic behaviors than about being "silently" kicked. In fact, outside of WoW, I can't recall ever seeing a vote to kick menu suddenly appearing without first seeing an altercation in the chat between two or more people. Also, only in WoW have I seen people complain about being kicked, but even then, usually it's mostly due to having deserter debuff rather than just the kick itself. On the other hand, specific to WoW as well, I also see people complain about being rejected from parties due to there being too much information about them. It's an interesting situation over there.

[Awha]

Again, I already said a kick is an option if you're in the majority in the party, so that's a weird response to my post.

Either way, the general consensus is irrelevant, but whatever people choose to do, it's up to them as long as they don't violate the ToS.

In the short few years I've played MMOs, I've seen more people complain about toxic behaviors than about being "silently" kicked. In fact, outside of WoW, I can't recall ever seeing a vote to kick menu suddenly appearing without first seeing an altercation in the chat between two or more people. Also, only in WoW have I seen people complain about being kicked, but even then, usually it's mostly due to having deserter debuff rather than just the kick itself. On the other hand, specific to WoW as well, I also see people complain about being rejected from parties due to there being too much information about them. It's an interesting situation over there.

I tend to run with players that like to pull the difference of play style card often, and limit what they say in game due to past interactions with GM’s everyone has a different experience. Though generally if you ask around many do not find difference of play style as a valid reason for removal even if it passes many will defend the person that was removed. I have seen people removed silently only for the reason to come up after they are gone. Often it is for things like pull size or standing around as a healer. In the past I have seen tanks booted for sitting in tank stance, I have also seen people removed from PF groups without reason after someone saw their logs. To a degree it does happen here just like in WoW but in WoW it is just expected if you have shit logs you will be hard pressed to join a group.

Though I know vote kick is an option but at this point I figured we were talking about ways we wish this were instead of how they are. I have already said I know we have options I just wish it was not the case. I wish we could be more transparent with our kicks and give players a clear reason with data to back it up as to why they are removed when it comes to aspects of poor play. I speak from my own position if I was ever removed from a group I would love to know the reason why in as much detail as possible, and I feel others in the game also feel the same way. Though the fear SE and the community has against data no matter how self perceived it is hampers that interaction.

In short I have seen more people complain about silent kicks cause I was one of those people that would often kick due to differences of play style due to being afraid of getting reported I never said anything in chat, now I tend to pick my words carefully when I do explain why I started a vote and being as I often play tank or healer they mostly always pass. I have had few people get salty others took it with grace.

Either way this was less about how things are since I know it will never change more so how I wish SE would put aside their dated fear against parsing and toxic behavior and just punish it when it happens instead of trying to prevent it outright.

Overall I do prefer how things are in WoW, which is part of the reason I still maintain my sub to WoW and play it fairly often. I do prefer the more upfront nature of the WoW community in terms of how people play. Though I get my point of view is warped I laugh when people get doxxed or get told to keys so I tend to fight in with those overly “toxic” communities better. Guess you could say I enjoy the salt mines.