"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

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Again, I already said a kick is an option if you're in the majority in the party, so that's a weird response to my post.

Either way, the general consensus is irrelevant, but whatever people choose to do, it's up to them as long as they don't violate the ToS.

In the short few years I've played MMOs, I've seen more people complain about toxic behaviors than about being "silently" kicked. In fact, outside of WoW, I can't recall ever seeing a vote to kick menu suddenly appearing without first seeing an altercation in the chat between two or more people. Also, only in WoW have I seen people complain about being kicked, but even then, usually it's mostly due to having deserter debuff rather than just the kick itself. On the other hand, specific to WoW as well, I also see people complain about being rejected from parties due to there being too much information about them. It's an interesting situation over there.

I tend to run with players that like to pull the difference of play style card often, and limit what they say in game due to past interactions with GM’s everyone has a different experience. Though generally if you ask around many do not find difference of play style as a valid reason for removal even if it passes many will defend the person that was removed. I have seen people removed silently only for the reason to come up after they are gone. Often it is for things like pull size or standing around as a healer. In the past I have seen tanks booted for sitting in tank stance, I have also seen people removed from PF groups without reason after someone saw their logs. To a degree it does happen here just like in WoW but in WoW it is just expected if you have shit logs you will be hard pressed to join a group.

Though I know vote kick is an option but at this point I figured we were talking about ways we wish this were instead of how they are. I have already said I know we have options I just wish it was not the case. I wish we could be more transparent with our kicks and give players a clear reason with data to back it up as to why they are removed when it comes to aspects of poor play. I speak from my own position if I was ever removed from a group I would love to know the reason why in as much detail as possible, and I feel others in the game also feel the same way. Though the fear SE and the community has against data no matter how self perceived it is hampers that interaction.

In short I have seen more people complain about silent kicks cause I was one of those people that would often kick due to differences of play style due to being afraid of getting reported I never said anything in chat, now I tend to pick my words carefully when I do explain why I started a vote and being as I often play tank or healer they mostly always pass. I have had few people get salty others took it with grace.

Either way this was less about how things are since I know it will never change more so how I wish SE would put aside their dated fear against parsing and toxic behavior and just punish it when it happens instead of trying to prevent it outright.

Overall I do prefer how things are in WoW, which is part of the reason I still maintain my sub to WoW and play it fairly often. I do prefer the more upfront nature of the WoW community in terms of how people play. Though I get my point of view is warped I laugh when people get doxxed or get told to keys so I tend to fight in with those overly “toxic” communities better. Guess you could say I enjoy the salt mines.