DPS who pull mobs

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Sorry on mobile, but letting the healer die will result in throwing the two other players under the bus. That point it is a numbers game why punish two others just to prove a point against one. I get for you pulling is not fair towards you but that is a 1:1 normally if a dps does it. If a healer does it you are putting 2 others in the crossfire and wasting their time which is extremely unfair.

Does not seem legit does it?

It simply wouldn't happen if the Healer didnt run ahead and pull the other mobs for me.
If they are just doing their job and healing, then its not their fault if they pull aggro as we get to the next Mob. Its one thing if they generated aggro from healing, its another thing to literally run ahead and attack to pull the other groups.

[Jaelommiss]

I know what my job is as a tank

Do you, though? It is the responsibility of every player, regardless of role, to continuously contribute towards the successful completion of the duty. In almost every duty in the game this is achieved by slaying enemies. A tank contributes by 1) reducing enemy HP, and 2) mitigating incoming damage to allow the healer more time to reduce enemy HP.

Could you please explain how deliberately murdering your allies and refusing to attack the enemies is doing your job? There's a case to be made that by facilitating a wipe you are restoring enemy HP and undoing progress made by the party.

There are plenty of games with communities that encourage ego-centric toxicity, but this isn't one of them. Your attitude is an unwelcome hinderance. Get better or get out.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm sorry, but who's not letting you tank? You just need to come to mobs and start pressing AOE rotation and voila - All agro is yours! All you need to do is start actually doing your job instead of playing the *God's game*.
I swear, some people need to get off their high horse and chill sometimes.

...are you asking me to go back 5 years ago to find the name of the people who wouldn't let me tank?
What gods game? Im a tank, not a healer, the healer is the one that plays God XDD

I am perfectly chill. If they wanna take my job, I let them. Im not the one making a big deal. Just let me tank. If you want to tank, ill let you
100% maximum chill. No horse here

[ZedxKayn]

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me.

Which is to grab and hold aggro, not necessarily get it first.
It's as if a healer got pissy at a DNC for using Curing Waltz because its "their job to heal".

Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me?

Then do your job as a tank and grab the aggro. You know damn well a DPS can't create more threat than you if you're not griefing. NO ONE in a dungeon can stop you from doing your job as a tank EXCEPT YOURSELF because no one else has enmity multiplying tools.

And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.

It's not petty it's the truth. You're refusing to do your job over a petty grievance and letting people die over your misconception that you're the one who should get aggro first, that is textbook definition of griefing in video games.

Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank.

Do you? Because you refuse to do it.

Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

Yeah man turning your stance on, spamming AOEs and using sprint correctly is so difficult.
But if you're admitting that you might not be as efficient as others, do you think they should be punished for managing their sprint and positioning themselves better than you do? lol

[Miracle_Diva]

...are you asking me to go back 5 years ago to find the name of the people who wouldn't let me tank?
What gods game? Im a tank, not a healer, the healer is the one that plays God XDD

I am perfectly chill. If they wanna take my job, I let them. Im not the one making a big deal. Just let me tank. If you want to tank, ill let you
100% maximum chill. No horse here

You completely ignored my question of who's actually not letting you tank.
I guess the actual answer to that is - you yourself. By refusing to tank.

[Daibunnie]

This ain't about the aggro. Arm's Length applies a slow. If you're gonna run ahead of the tank and make their job slightly harder, might as well reciprocate by making all the mobs hit half as much for 10 seconds.

The tank has a button called sprint. Also, the tank's arms length being on cd has no impact on the dps pulling and taking aggro.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Do you, though? It is the responsibility of every player, regardless of role, to continuously contribute towards the successful completion of the duty. In almost every duty in the game this is achieved by slaying enemies. A tank contributes by 1) reducing enemy HP, and 2) mitigating incoming damage to allow the healer more time to reduce enemy HP.

Could you please explain how deliberately murdering your allies and refusing to attack the enemies is doing your job? There's a case to be made that by facilitating a wipe you are restoring enemy HP and undoing progress made by the party.

There are plenty of games with communities that encourage ego-centric toxicity, but this isn't one of them. Your attitude is an unwelcome hinderance. Get better or get out.

If I didnt, I wouldn't play tank and I wouldn't have them at Max Level.
How am I murdering my allies? Does FFXIV have Friendly fire that Im unaware of? Or is this just a silly question to further demonize me for saying "If Im a Tank, let me Tank?"
I dont play other MMOs, I play FFXIV, Im not hindering anybody, I simply dont like people who tank for me while Im playing Tank. Its more toxic to take my job and call me a bad tank, then get mad when I literally let you do what your trying to do.

Ill continue to Play FFXIV and have fun as Ive had for the past 3 expansions.
Sorry, thats not gonna change over this topic.

All dem chips and bags yoh

-Running ahead and pulling all the mobs is not the same thing as a DNC using their cure move. If a healer wants to get upset about it, thats their problem.
-They can actually, by running ahead of the tank and doing everything themselves.
-Ok, then Ill stop tanking...just like I did. If its the truth, then let it be truth.
-Not that anybody is gonna care, but let me say that these happened years ago back in HW when I was learning and tanking was a LITTLE harder
-Refer to the previous point. Because yeah tanking has become THAT easy now lol. Plus Im better at it now then I was in HW

You completely ignored my question of who's actually not letting you tank.

The DPS
I guess that was overlooked the past few people I was talking to, lol

[Miracle_Diva]

If I didnt, I wouldn't play tank and I wouldn't have them at Max Level.

-Ok, then Ill stop tanking...just like I did. If its the truth, then let it be truth.
-Not that anybody is gonna care, but let me say that these happened years ago back in HW when I was learning and tanking was a LITTLE harder

If you know the difference between old tanking and current tanking, you should have 0 problems with someone else pulling mobs because for a tank it's 0 effort to take the aggro back.
I don't see how DPS is taking your tanking job. Unless it hurts your ego/feelings seeing that someone dared running in front of you in a dungeon.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Ill guess Ill just Echo it in an independent post...even though I know exactly how the internet works and it will likely be ignored, or people will just say Im making excuses and creating a scapegoat. So what, whatever, but Ill make it known.

My attitude about this was way back in HW (Heavensward) Back when I was newer at the game. FFXIV is my 1st and only MMO, so many concepts are still to this day lost on me, because I simply dont know or understand them.
Now, yes to any naysayers who will believe the opposite, I know what my role is as a tank. My issue is that I was trying to learn and get better at it at the time, but as Im learning, people would decide Im to slow and suck, so they would run ahead and just take my job from me, and harass me about it. (but hey, Im the toxic one right?) Being a novice, and with how gaining aggro was a little slower, I wasnt good. Many people sweat bullets over the responsibilities of the role, and as it happened a few times, yes I became petty and jaded about it. So I got that attitude...you want to tank -takes off stance- go for it.
I became so done with fighting about it, and trying to explain I was new and learning. I met a good amount of Toxic people starting out.

Now, fast foreword, I run into it nearly...never. Im a better tank now, aggro generation is childs play. And amusingly, outside of Alliance Raids, nobody runs ahead of the Tank anymore. At least not the groups Ive been in.

So just to make it known to people coming at me, this attitude is from Years ago. None of this has happened in the past 4 years or so

[Miracle_Diva]

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I am sorry to hear that you had to go through such in game experiences. People in this game not so all nice and fluffy sometimes, it's understandable.
Still, it would recommend you letting go of the past and move on. Things like that just happen sometimes and you should never take close to heart what random people on the internet tell you if you know, you're trying your best. Just ignore them and keep doing your best. With time and experience you'll get the hang of it. Just no need to let down those who didn't deserve it. Take a different look at others pulling mobs for you, there's nothing wrong with it, run will just go faster that way.