DPS who pull mobs

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Question would you also let the healer die thus wiping the group if they were the ones that pulled?

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them? Yes.
If they pull the boss even when I typed "brb", or "wait a sec please" Then yes.

Your job is not limited to simply pulling mobs but establishing and maintaining aggro. Allowing the DPS to die out of some petty "revenge" because they ran ahead isn't doing your job. It's the equivalent of a healer refusing to heal because they got angry at someone.

And in such a scenario, you're the one I'm initiating the Vote Kick on because you're causing an actual issue. Some rando DPS or healer pulling ahead didn't impact anything except to bruise your ego slightly. You electing to let said DPS die puts more work on me as the potential healer and/or simply wastes time since now we have a DPS with weakness. You're in the wrong no matter what justification you want to spin.

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me? Its not revenge either, they decide they want to be tank, ill let them be tank; similar to when a 2nd tank sees that Im trying to be Main tank, but then they completely steal aggro off of me and take my job. Call it petty, yes, and Ill 100% admit Im aware Im being petty. I wont hide it.
And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.

Do you know refusing to do your job and letting people die for it is reportable since it's griefing?

Someone running ahead isn't preventing you from doing your actual job, that is grabbing aggro, or doesn't mean that they want to tank, it just means that they're faster than you. You're a bad tank and a bad team player with that attitude, no two ways around it.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job. Just wait a second or 2 for me to grab the enemies, and then Ill get the other enemies and do the Wall-to-wall Im expected to do. If im not fast enough, then by all means, take over.
If im just gonna be called a bad tank for not being as fast as they want me to be. Cool, Ill just stick to healing

Your job is to maintain threat, that is quite literally your minimum. If a dps has it, you are not doing your minimum. I don't care if he pulled something else before you did SOMEHOW to even begin with, because intentionally choosing to not keep threat and wasting everyone's time, not just that one dps, is quite literally griefing.

Would you be fine with the healer no longer healing you if you stood in one aoe?

Would you be fine with a dps just auto attacking because you caused him to miss a positional?

Why is it okay for you to not do what you came to do, but not okay for others?

Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank. If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.
Just wait a second for me to get going. Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

[Awha]

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them? Yes.
If they pull the boss even when I typed "brb", or "wait a sec please" Then yes.



I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me? Its not revenge either, they decide they want to be tank, ill let them be tank; similar to when a 2nd tank sees that Im trying to be Main tank, but then they completely steal aggro off of me and take my job. Call it petty, yes, and Ill 100% admit Im aware Im being petty. I wont hide it.
And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.



I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job. Just wait a second or 2 for me to grab the enemies, and then Ill get the other enemies and do the Wall-to-wall Im expected to do. If im not fast enough, then by all means, take over.
If im just gonna be called a bad tank for not being as fast as they want me to be. Cool, Ill just stick to healing



Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank. If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.
Just wait a second for me to get going. Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

Sorry on mobile, but letting the healer die will result in throwing the two other players under the bus. That point it is a numbers game why punish two others just to prove a point against one. I get for you pulling is not fair towards you but that is a 1:1 normally if a dps does it. If a healer does it you are putting 2 others in the crossfire and wasting their time which is extremely unfair.

Does not seem legit does it?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Sorry on mobile, but letting the healer die will result in throwing the two other players under the bus. That point it is a numbers game why punish two others just to prove a point against one. I get for you pulling is not fair towards you but that is a 1:1 normally if a dps does it. If a healer does it you are putting 2 others in the crossfire and wasting their time which is extremely unfair.

Does not seem legit does it?

It simply wouldn't happen if the Healer didnt run ahead and pull the other mobs for me.
If they are just doing their job and healing, then its not their fault if they pull aggro as we get to the next Mob. Its one thing if they generated aggro from healing, its another thing to literally run ahead and attack to pull the other groups.

[Awha]

It simply wouldn't happen if the Healer didnt run ahead and pull the other mobs for me.
If they are just doing their job and healing, then its not their fault if they pull aggro as we get to the next Mob. Its one thing if they generated aggro from healing, its another thing to literally run ahead and attack to pull the other groups.

Sorry man I still do not get it if the healer runs ahead and pulls extra mobs and people are already using their AoE you as a tank you would have to physically stop using your AoE combo and maybe even drop aggro to teach said healer a lesson. At that point you are actively screwing over the dps for not having the same foresight to stop attacking or to single target the mobs you are
Fighting. So at that point in this theoretical situation if the healer dies and the dps die because all they were doing was using AoE. You might still be alive due to lack of aggro on the other mobs but now your party is dead because you wanted to teach someone a lesson. Yet that lesson also caused two others who were only guilty of using AoE.

Does that really seem fair?

[Miracle_Diva]

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them?



I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job.

If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.

I'm sorry, but who's not letting you tank? You just need to come to mobs and start pressing AOE rotation and voila - All agro is yours! All you need to do is start actually doing your job instead of playing the *God's game*.
I swear, some people need to get off their high horse and chill sometimes.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm sorry, but who's not letting you tank? You just need to come to mobs and start pressing AOE rotation and voila - All agro is yours! All you need to do is start actually doing your job instead of playing the *God's game*.
I swear, some people need to get off their high horse and chill sometimes.

...are you asking me to go back 5 years ago to find the name of the people who wouldn't let me tank?
What gods game? Im a tank, not a healer, the healer is the one that plays God XDD

I am perfectly chill. If they wanna take my job, I let them. Im not the one making a big deal. Just let me tank. If you want to tank, ill let you
100% maximum chill. No horse here

[Miracle_Diva]

...are you asking me to go back 5 years ago to find the name of the people who wouldn't let me tank?
What gods game? Im a tank, not a healer, the healer is the one that plays God XDD

I am perfectly chill. If they wanna take my job, I let them. Im not the one making a big deal. Just let me tank. If you want to tank, ill let you
100% maximum chill. No horse here

You completely ignored my question of who's actually not letting you tank.
I guess the actual answer to that is - you yourself. By refusing to tank.

[Jaelommiss]

I know what my job is as a tank

Do you, though? It is the responsibility of every player, regardless of role, to continuously contribute towards the successful completion of the duty. In almost every duty in the game this is achieved by slaying enemies. A tank contributes by 1) reducing enemy HP, and 2) mitigating incoming damage to allow the healer more time to reduce enemy HP.

Could you please explain how deliberately murdering your allies and refusing to attack the enemies is doing your job? There's a case to be made that by facilitating a wipe you are restoring enemy HP and undoing progress made by the party.

There are plenty of games with communities that encourage ego-centric toxicity, but this isn't one of them. Your attitude is an unwelcome hinderance. Get better or get out.

[ZedxKayn]

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me.

Which is to grab and hold aggro, not necessarily get it first.
It's as if a healer got pissy at a DNC for using Curing Waltz because its "their job to heal".

Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me?

Then do your job as a tank and grab the aggro. You know damn well a DPS can't create more threat than you if you're not griefing. NO ONE in a dungeon can stop you from doing your job as a tank EXCEPT YOURSELF because no one else has enmity multiplying tools.

And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.

It's not petty it's the truth. You're refusing to do your job over a petty grievance and letting people die over your misconception that you're the one who should get aggro first, that is textbook definition of griefing in video games.

Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank.

Do you? Because you refuse to do it.

Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

Yeah man turning your stance on, spamming AOEs and using sprint correctly is so difficult.
But if you're admitting that you might not be as efficient as others, do you think they should be punished for managing their sprint and positioning themselves better than you do? lol

[Vahlnir]

It's not petty it's the truth. You're refusing to do your job over a petty grievance and letting people die over your misconception that you're the one who should get aggro first, that is textbook definition of griefing in video games.

I mean, it IS the norm to let the tank grab aggro first. Even so that's no reason to let your party members die because someone was impatient, as annoying as it may be. That is indeed petty.