Multiple Houses

[Basch1990]

@catstab what you dont seem to realize is a couple players (120 per server) still doesn't compare to the 200 people potentially in a free company who could own 1 of thoses houses. So lets say 10 houses are actually owned buy 1 person or FC. That has the potential of allowing 2000 people to have a home. So if 120 houses are owned by 5 people on a server take away all but 1 from them thats 115 houses that become free. Now max case scenario FC's buy every house. Maximum amount to benefit would be 23,000 people per server. Minimum of 115. And only people who would suffer is 5 people. Now I get it that not every house will be owned by an FC but WAY more people will benefit from the few who lose. Them are the numbers and it's hard to argue with it. 200 people max having access to say 200 plots? Thats a lot of wasted potential especially since most of those FC's probably only have 1 active member.

Now for skills, your scenario was completely and 100% nowhere near the point. How does ruining job abilities come anywhere near limiting chars to a single class? You stuff was way off mark while me saying they would do that if they aimed for fun is still a lot more relevant to the conversation as it ACTUALLY pertains to your comment

[Jojoya]

@catstab what you dont seem to realize is a couple players (120 per server) still doesn't compare to the 200 people potentially in a free company who could own 1 of thoses houses. So lets say 10 houses are actually owned buy 1 person or FC. That has the potential of allowing 2000 people to have a home. So if 120 houses are owned by 5 people on a server take away all but 1 from them thats 115 houses that become free. Now max case scenario FC's buy every house. Maximum amount to benefit would be 23,000 people per server. Minimum of 115. And only people who would suffer is 5 people. Now I get it that not every house will be owned by an FC but WAY more people will benefit from the few who lose. Them are the numbers and it's hard to argue with it. 200 people max having access to say 200 plots? Thats a lot of wasted potential especially since most of those FC's probably only have 1 active member.

Except the reality is few FCs have 200+ active unique members. In most cases those members don't benefit from the FC owning a house because officers tend to rigidly restrict house decorating privileges and rarely spend any gil made from gardening, workshops and company credits on the members. Access to purchasing FC chambers mean nothing when players can easily buy an apartment with or without FC membership.

You're dramatically inflating the potential impact when there just aren't that many multiple house owners out there, grandfathered or not, and most worlds don't even have 23,000 active players.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor. Turn your crusade toward something that actually would make a dramatic and positive impact on housing for the community - expansion of the instanced housing system - instead of on a dead cause that would only benefit a handful of players per server.

[Catstab]

me saying they would do that if they aimed for fun is still a lot more relevant to the conversation as it ACTUALLY pertains to your comment

I'm going to explain what a 'red herring' is. It's a meaningless distraction from the conversation at hand, generally used when someone is backed into a corner but not ready to stop talking.

Person A: This company should take away people's earned rewards, so they can be distributed to different people

Person B: That goes against their standards of ethics, they would never do it

Person A: Well, they make expansion packs! (this is a red herring)

Regarding the "What if 5 accounts own 120 houses" comment, that's mathematically not possible. Even with 8 personals and 8 FC houses, it would take 8 accounts to hold 128 houses. It seems unlikely to me that 8 accounts are built up like this on any one server. It is unlikely to the point of impossible that all 112 houses freed up by your proposal would go to FCs. As an aside, most FCs have many fewer than 200 members, and almost every FC with anywhere near 200 members has housing.

Anyway, again, SE doesn't revoke already earned rewards. Grandfathered houses are here to stay until their owners quit the game.

My advice would be: petition for SE to enforce a 1 FC house per account guideline in future purchases. Currently they do not, and it is perfectly possible to collect 8 FC houses on any account. People continue to do this and while it is not the core problem with housing, it is undeniably detrimental.


EDIT: OP says the above example 'is dumb.' Here's the actual conversation:

Square needs to make people with multiples like that choose a house and then auto-demo the rest... that should be what they get for being greedy.

(This company should take away people's earned rewards, so they can be distributed to different people)

SE would consider taking away earned rewards as unethical and won't consider doing it. They would also consider it anti-fun

(That goes against their standards of ethics, they would never do it)

If they wanted more fun they wouldn't have destroyed the abilities every expansion... like for instance the PLD tank stances

(Well, they make expansion packs!)

I'm calling out this changing the subject to Paladin tank stances in the middle of a discussion of business ethics as a way for OP to distract from a debate they don't have anything left to contribute to.