Multiple Houses

[Basch1990]

IMO the best way forward is to have a bunch of options for people. Like keep the wards, but offer instanced housing along side. Give us the option to have an airship home (while a sub home would be cool... that's not nearly as practical). Make apartments something actually useful. Give us public access to the crafting workshop through Garlond Ironworks or Skysteel Manufactury. Let us launch airship and sub missions without needing to be in an FC to do it. Give us cross gardening without requiring a house.

Doing most of the above would help mitigate a lot of the housing issues, and I imagine if players suddenly had teleports to all their personal houses from all their characters on the same server, some would likely release the duplicate houses as that's a feature that's LONG overdue IMO.

Tbh, this is a beautiful idea. And I'd love to see them do it. But I'm afraid that SE is stubborn on that front :/ which completely suck

[Sauteed]

Make apartments something actually useful. Give us public access to the crafting workshop through Garlond Ironworks or Skysteel Manufactury. Let us launch airship and sub missions without needing to be in an FC to do it. Give us cross gardening without requiring a house.
IMO.

I do not think giving individuals the ability to have workshop access is a good idea. That should remain as a perk for a free company. It keeps what is there scarce which I think is good for the particular resources to have some sort of value. If a player does not like that within an fc they can found their own tho, as I have and many others like me who were not pleased with how many fcs run things. I do think better apartments is a HUGE step in the right direction.

[Sauteed]

World visiting is irrelevant to housing, because you can only buy a house on your home server. If you instead intended that to prevent gil transfers, it takes far less time to make the money to buy a house then some people seem to think.

The precise reason why and I am WELL aware how quick gil can be made but limiting access with the massive stores of gil capped folks from flooding the new worlds will keep the chances of getting a house for those eager for a fresh run at it fairest and I will go and assume you know this, it keeps current gil out for a long enough time for people to have a snowball's chance in Thanalan of getting their little slice of Eorzea.

@Bach1990 tho I am certain you are 100% trolling at this point. The amount of grand fathered houses that would be removed from people who LEGITIMATELY earned them will fix nothing and cause nothing but drama and problems. You have your agenda tho and it is not surprising you're right on board the titanmen boat of consta-trollin.

[not_ya_wify]

I'm on Siren server in Aether datacenter. There are several wards with FC's that have 10+ houses.

I'm also on Siren and ours isn't even a server with a housing shortage. I don't know why you are complaining about suffering from what other players do when it doesn't affect you. Maybe your dream house isn't free but it likely wouldn't be either way if we kicked out players who have invested hundreds of hours, hundreds of millions of gil and possibly lots of real world money to have several accounts. You can easily get a cottage once timers get turned back on. If you can't wait for that, you can ask to buy a solo FC with a house on party finder. If you wait for housing ward expansion you can even get your dream house. I hadn't had a problem on Siren getting exactly the house I wanted when new wards were opened. Got a large Shirogane house for my FC when Shiro first opened and a private med Lavender Beds House during another housing ward expansion. I probably could have gotten a large if FCs didn't get several days prior access. In both cases I was literally the only person going for those plots for at least 10 minutes. You shouldn't have a problem with housing on Siren.

[Almagnus1]

I do not think giving individuals the ability to have workshop access is a good idea. That should remain as a perk for a free company. It keeps what is there scarce which I think is good for the particular resources to have some sort of value. If a player does not like that within an fc they can found their own tho, as I have and many others like me who were not pleased with how many fcs run things. I do think better apartments is a HUGE step in the right direction.

Given how we've got a woefully inadequate supply of houses compared to the demand, anything that can be done to incentivize players to release a house (in this case by making housing stuff available to the general public so there's less reason to have a house) should be done. Besides, how many FCs actually have the permissions loose enough that the average person in the FC can use the workshop or run an expedition?

By making the workshop available to the general populace, it's going to cause people that are in the micro FCs think twice about why they have it... and possibly lead a few of them to release the house (or delete the FC which will release the house) as they have less a reason to keep it around.

Ima have to stop you there. I have 2 FC's in my server that own more then 10 FC houses. 1 HAS 11 the other 13. That right there seems to be more then 8

I'm suspecting a math error here, but how many distinct service accounts are in each of those FCs?

[Almagnus1]

The precise reason why and I am WELL aware how quick gil can be made but limiting access with the massive stores of gil capped folks from flooding the new worlds will keep the chances of getting a house for those eager for a fresh run at it fairest and I will go and assume you know this, it keeps current gil out for a long enough time for people to have a snowball's chance in Thanalan of getting their little slice of Eorzea.

IMO FFXIV needs more gil sinks.

@Bach1990 tho I am certain you are 100% trolling at this point. The amount of grand fathered houses that would be removed from people who LEGITIMATELY earned them will fix nothing and cause nothing but drama and problems. You have your agenda tho and it is not surprising you're right on board the titanmen boat of consta-trollin.

As a friendly FYI, be VERY careful with this type of callouts as it's how you can easily run afoul with the Forum Code of Conduct (FYI https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...la=1&tag=forum ).

[Sauteed]

IMO FFXIV needs more gil sinks.



As a friendly FYI, be VERY careful with this type of callouts as it's how you can easily run afoul with the Forum Code of Conduct (FYI https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...la=1&tag=forum ).

As far as gil sinks go by letting thos gil capped players on a fresh world you would again see 100% bought out wards on the fresh world all over again.

And thanks for the friendly fyi, tho I'm certain I would not care about going afoul of the forum codes of conduct at this point. The general level of toxicity and absolute abandonment of most people's ability to abide by the rules is just through the roof. Meanwhile the tc literally telling people they are dumb and their step by step and informative posts are also dumb according to them. I simply informed them I 100% believe they are just trolling at this point. I have not said they are dumb.

Again tho let's go back and think about the ramifications of letting gil capped players onto a fresh world and look at what is already going on in current worlds and be sure you want to see those fresh worlds be "gil sinks". Rather let instanced housing be a type of gil sink.

I also stick to my logic of keeping workshops fc based. Keeping some of those items as fc based perks is good in my opinion, another reason being it devalues the idea behind an fc altogether. That doesn't mean fc abuse does not happen. You would have to go back to formula to remedy that whole situation. I try to use what our workshop produces to pay for members fc rooms and also supply gil to newer members to help them cover npc gear costs and have some early breathing room. For what we do it seems to work out pretty well so far.

[Sauteed]

Let me also say letting an accounts alts automatically be able to use a house on the account would be an ideal solution for a large chunk of people. We may not see people with grand fathered housing relinquish houses over that feature but you would definitely see much less invention of micro FC's at that point. There are some that simply make micro fcs for workshop access but I feel those are in the minority compared to people that just want a house for their alt based on observations I have had.

Short of taking away opportunity from players based on current abuse of a smaller segment of players than people realize , I do not see a viable "fix" for the current incarnation of ward based housing. Blame people's greed or whatever you want, but the real issue is the system not players. I've had a lot of thought about housing and how it could be different but I am not in control of the purse strings of the organization (probably to the betterment of Eorzea >_>). Getting on the forums and taking a cursory glance at the madness in housing subforum alone tho really makes one wonder what is the deal with just cramming this onto their own player base? There is a thread that got smashed together with a ton of other threads recently that is like a mighty chorus of damage and vitriol with like 1 moderator response informing us they consolidated a bunch of threads onto that 1.. I read the entire thread with posts going back to 2017.. every single word in there last night. I am passionate for xiv housing. I get it , a lot of people are and many WAY more passionate than I am. But as one of them that is passionate for it, I am disgusted by it's current incarnation and what seems to be glee in seeing the garbage getting slung around by angry people at each other. Step up SE. Your forums have a TON of feedback with a slew of what seems like pretty reasonable suggestions.

[Jojoya]

Ima have to stop you there. I have 2 FC's in my server that own more then 10 FC houses. 1 HAS 11 the other 13. That right there seems to be more then 8

You seem to need information about how the game works.

That's not 2 FCs owning a combined 24 houses. It's impossible for a single FC to own more than one house. That's 24 different FCs owning one house each. If you're going "but the FC tag!", FC tags are not unique. Multiple FCs can use the same tag.

What is possible is for those 24 FCs to be led by a single player who is paying for 3 service accounts and has created 8 characters on each account with each character leading a different one of those FCs. The game itself doesn't know what real person owns an account. To it, each service account represents a separate person. Actual account owner identity will be tracked by the accounts and billing system outside of the game programming.

Is that greedy? It depends on when the player established those FCs and the houses purchased.

If it was done on or before Jan.29, 2018, then no. The game allowed it until that date.

If the FC was created on or after Jan. 30th, 2018 or it was a second FC house purchase on the account then yes, it's greed and exploiting loopholes in the game's system.

Unfortunately, it's outside GM authority to enforce the housing rules posted on the Lodestone just as it's outside their authority to handle bot related issues. Unlike bots, SE evidently didn't set up a team to handle housing ownership exploits so the player base has no recourse when someone chooses to exploit the system.

I do not think giving individuals the ability to have workshop access is a good idea. That should remain as a perk for a free company. It keeps what is there scarce which I think is good for the particular resources to have some sort of value. If a player does not like that within an fc they can found their own tho, as I have and many others like me who were not pleased with how many fcs run things. I do think better apartments is a HUGE step in the right direction.

Except there are multiple individual players who do have access to workshops because they set up shell FCs to get it.

It's not like legitimate FCs can make all that much gil off a workshop anymore with the number of individual players running those multiple workshops for personal profit. SE might as well release workshops to all players in that case and find some other perks for FCs.

I'm also on Siren and ours isn't even a server with a housing shortage.

I think you need to look again. This isn't early 2019 anymore.

I am passionate for xiv housing. I get it , a lot of people are and many WAY more passionate than I am. But as one of them that is passionate for it, I am disgusted by it's current incarnation and what seems to be glee in seeing the garbage getting slung around by angry people at each other. Step up SE. Your forums have a TON of feedback with a slew of what seems like pretty reasonable suggestions.

They've got a major housing update already in the works. We know it's coming after every world has completed its Ishgard Restoration so hopefully that means 5.5.

At this point we need patience. It doesn't hurt to continue to give feedback about changes we'd like to see but we need to stop with the "you need to do something, SE". They are. Once the new update is released, we can give feedback on any problems we still see.

[Sauteed]

SE might as well release workshops to all players in that case and find some other perks for FCs.

It is a massive problem that SE needs to deal with in some form, but what kind of perk would you suggest letting FC's have? How would the shell FC's be kept from obtaining those as well? The whole system; as it stands; is something the devs can probably look back and say "well hindsight is 20/20". I think a first step should definitely be increasing housing supply whether through an "improved apartment" system or just open the flood gates on wards and create many times the amount of wards there are now.