Dancer 6.0 Speculation

[Jirah]

Most of it, naturally, comes with optimizations with your fellow party members. Syncing your buffs up with your partner to the GCD, dumping resources into raid buffs, prioritizing the right GCD (whether saber, proc, combo), weaving improv, maximizing curing on party, and so on. It shares a bit with BRD but for the most part BRD can ignore what other people are doing and just focus on proc RNG while rotating songs, which is similar to standard refreshes. However, since BRD is an 80 job and RNG on when it has resources it kinda ignores the party and does its own thing which takes away from the depth. MCH of course falls into that trap but it also doesn't help that it's a simple combo system so no variation whatsoever.

DNC has a high skill floor so it's hard to really do terrible on dancer and playing with parties that don't optimize means it can feel very boring, especially if there are no other buff jobs to throw resources into. But start bringing in optimized groups and buff jobs and all of a sudden DNC becomes a lot more fun with increased decision making and depth. On average, this would put it about on par imo, but with potential to have more depth the more you optimize.

....I feel your drawing straws on most of this, i mean maximixing curing on party? DNC isnt a healer. But ill give you the Optimizing part if abit token as ive never optimized but also never really had issues with the content DPS wise but i dont think thats dancer fault.

[Rai_Takara]

....I feel your drawing straws on most of this, i mean maximixing curing on party? DNC isnt a healer. But ill give you the Optimizing part if abit token as ive never optimized but also never really had issues with the content DPS wise but i dont think thats dancer fault.

If it saves a healer a GCD, then it's a gain. In high end optimizations, curing optimization is planned to the point that not using it will wipe the party. While DNC isn't a healer, it still has healing and mitigation tools like one and should use it. But like I said, if the group isn't optimizing, then it doesn't matter and the depth vanishes.

[Jirah]

If it saves a healer a GCD, then it's a gain. In high end optimizations, curing optimization is planned to the point that not using it will wipe the party. While DNC isn't a healer, it still has healing and mitigation tools like one and should use it. But like I said, if the group isn't optimizing, then it doesn't matter and the depth vanishes.

If this nuance is only found in the hardest of content and not basic performance, its token which again I dont think its DNC fault but "In high end blah blah blah" thiers 4 maybe 5 instances where that applies everything else its a non issue or a non nuance. Even said that this is one skill one 60 second skill. I remain unconvinced of DNC depth and if "high end optimizing" is a must to see it shine

[Rai_Takara]

If this nuance is only found in the hardest of content and not basic performance, its token which again I dont think its DNC fault but "In high end blah blah blah" thiers 4 maybe 5 instances where that applies everything else its a non issue or a non nuance. Even said that this is one skill one 60 second skill. I remain unconvinced of DNC depth and if "high end optimizing" is a must to see it shine

Basic performance of every job lacks nuance. If you don't optimize your job, then every job in the game is brain dead easy. Of the Physical Ranged, DNC is the easiest to pickup, assuming you are comfortable with RNG, but that varies per person. In terms of optimization, with DNC and BRD there's more to optimize than say MCH and with DNC a little moreso than BRD. Until you get to that level of play, none of the physical ranged are going to have much depth.

It's fine if you remain unconvinced, but if you don't push your job to the limit or put it in hard content, then you won't get the most out of it and DNC is one of those jobs that shines at the top end and not so much at the casual/midcore end.

I don't really see the need for a single target Saber Dance. In the interest of saving on button bloat I'd rather see Saber Dance have a higher potency if no other targets are hit by it.

To be fair, Dancer doesn't have that many buttons compared to other jobs. So we can afford to have another Esprit spender button, if not Saber. Personally, I do agree with you that, I think Saber is fine as is, not because of potential button bloat but because it lends itself to choice between Saber and Procs.