Quote Originally Posted by Rai_Takara View Post
They're fine as they are, if anything melees are underperforming. They need to be right up there as a whole next to SMN/BLM with BLM being top. Ideal comp is 2 melee, 1 ranged, 1 caster, but SMN being overperforming (as they've admitted and as we know) lets them be interchangeable right now with another melee, which is unintended.
sorry but why exactly does blm need to be top in your equation ? because last i checked ranged (even if they are casters) are at least better than melee at handling mechanics that require to be away from the boss so casters as a whole should be lower than melee if we go by ability to handle mechanics. also even IF smn is still overperforming, you yourself stated time and time again that only balance inside a role itself matters, so a "balanced" smn would still be balanced against blm (the class you actively want to be top dps).

yes, this means that smn needs to deal at least some dps below blackmage, but add the fact it can rezz on top and one could again say they offer equal "value". if blm and smn were really balanced against each other by definition smn (and by extension redmage) needs to offer to the group something of a value at least close to equal to blm, i.e. close to being top dps.

so yea, what is it ? should casters be equal to melees or should they not ? because if blackmage should be equal to them, or even superior than the same has to go for the other 2 casters for them to be truly balanced against each other.

also again, if "having the easiest time to handle mechanics" needs to be punished than "having an easier time handling mechanics/the potential to handle them with no or only minimal loss compared to the competition" (casters compared to melee) has to account for something aswell.