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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    I'm sure they're getting gold on the FATE solely because of the work of others /s
    Well it wouldn't complete at all with everyone leaving, so yes. Not that hard to understand, but I mean... this forum LOL not surprised at the level of understanding here.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endeleon View Post
    Well it wouldn't complete at all with everyone leaving, so yes. Not that hard to understand, but I mean... this forum LOL not surprised at the level of understanding here.
    You're assuming that everyone arrived there at the same time and everyone left at the same time, and that there are no new people arriving at the fate.

    Lol not surprised at this forum always arguing using their emotions and outrage instead of their brain.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    You're assuming that everyone arrived there at the same time and everyone left at the same time, and that there are no new people arriving at the fate.

    Lol not surprised at this forum always arguing using their emotions and outrage instead of their brain.
    You are also assuming the other way around.

    Also, you post this:

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    They don't have much to do so they meddle with and judge what others do.
    Then drop this on the same topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Lol not surprised at this forum always arguing using their emotions and outrage instead of their brain
    The most fun part is that you used: "if they get gold they did enough" as an argument. Any tank can get gold with no effort, particularly in boss fates.
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    Last edited by Driavna; 10-19-2020 at 10:46 PM.

  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    You are also assuming the other way around.
    I'm not. That's what I see in most FATEs. There are always new people arriving at the FATE, because not everyone was at the same place. That's not a huge leap of logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Also, you post this:
    In case you haven't understood, they mean the exact same thing. You're hiding under the pretense that what people are doing isn't inefficient(which if you think about it for a bit, it's obvious that it isn't) when instead you're arguing out of outrage and some deep seated fear that you'll be enable to complete your FATEs because everyone will leave. Leeching complexes shouldn't be fed. If you can't get Gold yourself when others leave, it's all on you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    The most fun part is that you used: "if they get gold they did enough" as an argument. Any tank can get gold with no effort, particularly in boss fates.
    The most fun is that you think tanking isn't doing anything. I better not catch you ever complaining about tanks not using cooldowns, because apparently they're automatic or something.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Everyone should follow your example. That way the Fate never complete and no one gets anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Again, if everyone does that a fate is not going to get complete. Particular if is a Boss fate. You are free to do whatever, but in reality, anyone doing that is abusing the good faith of others.
    This is my instance on this topic. All of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    You're hiding under the pretense that what people are doing isn't inefficient(which if you think about it for a bit, it's obvious that it isn't) when instead you're arguing out of outrage and some deep seated fear that you'll be enable to complete your FATEs because everyone will leave. Leeching complexes shouldn't be fed. If you can't get Gold yourself when others leave, it's all on you.
    Is your own fabrication.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    The most fun is that you think tanking isn't doing anything. I better not catch you ever complaining about tanks not using cooldowns, because apparently they're automatic or something.
    Just because you recently discovered that tanks need to use their CDs does not mean I'm unfamiliar with general game mechanics.
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    Last edited by Driavna; 10-20-2020 at 02:14 AM.

  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    This is my instance on this topic. All of this:

    Is your own fabrication.
    As anyone can see: all emotion, no logic and arguments. "I dislike what you're doing so I wish ill upon you."

    You know jealousy is a deadly sin, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Just because you recently discovered that tanks need to use their CDs does not mean I'm unfamiliar with general game mechanics.
    I might have recently discovered them according to you only, but it seems you are completely unfamiliar with them, given how easily you devalue them.

    Again, all your posts are based on all emotion, no logic.

    You know those memes of a guy crying, telling others what not do and being fun police? That's you right now.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I would say leaving the FATE boundary gives you a warning and a 30s countdown.
    If you don't re-enter the boundary within that time your progress is wiped. if you do re-enter, you get automatically re-synced.
    Definitely a better solution since just removing your FATE credit if you move too far away invites all of kinds of trolling potential. Some of it is entirely accidental too. If you've done any HW farming, you'll find BLU spamming Ram's Voice right where enemies spawn. If you move a hair too far, you'd lose all your credit despite being right on top of the FATE. Some type of 30 second warning at least allows you to correct for it.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Definitely a better solution since just removing your FATE credit if you move too far away invites all of kinds of trolling potential. Some of it is entirely accidental too. If you've done any HW farming, you'll find BLU spamming Ram's Voice right where enemies spawn. If you move a hair too far, you'd lose all your credit despite being right on top of the FATE. Some type of 30 second warning at least allows you to correct for it.
    And there are tons of FATES where the mobs literally spawn OUTSIDE of the fate area.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Good thing not even once I posted what others should do, unlike you btw. Not only that, but you also keep trying to portrait me as the bad actor here.
    You are a bad actor. You're lying to my face here telling me that no one is going to tell anyone what to do when the entire point of this thread is to tell other people what to do.
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    Personally, when I engage in a FATE, I see it through to completions because its in my nature, and would drive me utterly insane if I did leave it earlier for whatever reason. I do it because someone has to. I do it because its courteous to others staying behind to finish it. And I do it because (surprise!) there WILL be another FATE just a hop skip and jump away once the one I'm on is completed. Yes, I get it, "the creed is greed", "gotta go fast", and "get all the things as fast as humanly freaking possible." But not everyone is of that mindset. No, I'm not going to tell anyone at all what they should or shouldn't do, stay or go, whatever... but when I'm left to finish a FATE all by my onesie in the home stretch (which slows to a painfully slow progress), you can bet your bottom gil that I'm cursing the names of those that flitter off to the next one prematurely.

    Of course, I'm certain there are very few early leavers that care, but c'est la vie.
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