"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[KalinOrthos]

Surely you can see the difference between what's happening in this thread and what happens in game right?

Can you? Just this week, I had a Titan Hard Mode where people were people were repeatedly asking for a raise despite being knocked off the platform. When told that they can't be raised because their body was inaccessible, the information was promptly ignored and they went back to spamming for raises. These types exist, period, and what we're asking for is a baseline level of competence, which you seem to be arguing against.

But why do people do dungeons? Gear and XP? Enjoyment of clearing content? Finishing a quest? To improve and better yourself as a player? There's multiple reasons that players join the DF, most of which don't involve getting better as players, and there's a considerable number of players who aren't concerned with becoming the best players in the game. There's a pretty easy way for players who are concerned with being the best of the best to avoid them- premades- and there's also a pretty easy way for players that want to improve to get better- say 'I'm looking for advice' at the beginning of a group. The one thing people agree to by joining a dungeon is working to finish the dungeon- so someone who is afk or basically not filling their role (ie a healer that only spams damage abilities) isn't doing that.

So you agree. Players who aren't contributing to the group aren't doing what they're supposed to. I'm glad we see eye to eye.

Snideness aside, no one knows they are doing something badly. They have to be told or shown, otherwise they're going to continue as they were. The phrase "If it ain't broke" exists for a reason. They don't realize that the way they are playing is bad, and need to be told what they are doing wrong. For instance, I had a ninja who never used Trick Attack, one of the core aspects of the class. I had to tell them "Hey, if you use Suiton, it'll let you do Trick Attack, which raises everyone's damage" before they actually started using it. All they needed was a push. No one is going to zone into an instance with "I want advice", and the thought that you think they would is naive, at best.

Unsolicited advice stems from players with certain desires shoving that onto players who don't share those feelings, often in a very unpleasant way. That doesn't mean you can't give constructive advice in a helpful and friendly way, nor does it mean that there's not a just as massive cadre of unpleasant casual players as there are elitists. But I can guarantee that most of the people here saying they only give polite, constructive criticism yet also get constantly kicked from groups or told their being jerks aren't as good at teaching others as they think they are.

Or. And here me out. Or. There's a swath of toxic casual players that are growing the longer this content drought and quarantine go on, based solely on the fact that there isn't much else to do. And it's becoming increasingly common and frustrating to have to deal with these on a daily basis when it can be fixed with the slightest bit of concern for the people you are playing with in a massively multiplayer online RPG.