"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Barraind]

This is stunning. I have never read a response that could be more wrong.

The Blackest Night is a mitigation action. Thats literally all it does. If it mitigates any damage, it is not used incorrectly.

Found one. Didnt take long at all.

[Veis_Alveare]

That other thread got deleted, eh? I could probably guess who it was that went running to the mods, but no matter.

It's kind of weird how the most casual of the mainstream MMO's has the community that gets the most bent up over casual play. I mean, in most content groups never wipe, so I guess if you want to complain your only option is to get angry when a dungeon that could potentially take 15 minutes ends up taking 20.

Look at this absolute hero complaining about not being able to run in pedantic circles in another thread here.

Its okay buddy, I'm sure you're full of plenty more wrong opinions that we will get to laugh at and poke tons of holes in - just give it time!

Oh.

Oh, you're literally already here doing the same thing.

No one cares specifically about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes, people care about other players not respecting their time. It shouldn't need to take 5 more minutes but some players want to play as ice mage or songless bards or RP pacifist healers and here we are.

The casuals (who behave in such ways, not all of them obviously) need to reign it in. If you want a game where you just press random buttons and win go find one that doesn't also inconvenience a bunch of other people in the process.

[Bravely_Default]

You guys are also forgetting situations such as in UCob where you can bank an edge of shadow right before twintania goes down to gain an extra damage OGCD once nael falls down thus gaining a slight amount of damage on her. it's a small dps transference from one boss to another, but considering nael is 5X more annoying to fight every little bit helps.

[Goji1639]

Look at this absolute hero complaining about not being able to run in pedantic circles in another thread here.

Its okay buddy, I'm sure you're full of plenty more wrong opinions that we will get to laugh at and poke tons of holes in - just give it time!

Oh.

Oh, you're literally already here doing the same thing.

No one cares specifically about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes, people care about other players not respecting their time. It shouldn't need to take 5 more minutes but some players want to play as ice mage or songless bards or RP pacifist healers and here we are.

The casuals (who behave in such ways, not all of them obviously) need to reign it in. If you want a game where you just press random buttons and win go find one that doesn't also inconvenience a bunch of other people in the process.

"No one cares about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes; they just care that dungeons are taking 5 more minutes becuz respect my time!" Songless Bards; damageless healers; it doesn't make a real difference. 5 minutes is nothing; you waste more time whining and picking fights about it than you would by just finishing the damn run.

So you're mad because you think they're not respecting your time; not because these things are an ACTUAL problem. People are getting through roulettes just fine; EASILY even, despite the fact that some people coast through them. If you take this content THAT seriously then stop running it with randoms. The only minor waste of time that annoys me in roulettes is when people like you hold the group up by picking a fight with someone who isn't trying hard enough for you. Unless we're actually struggling keep the backseat driving to yourself and let the run proceed.

[Mikey_R]

Personally, the only people I try and help are the ones that can't even string a basic combo together. No, True Thrust, Piercing Talon, Chaos Thrust, Disembowel etc. is no a real combo, or even a sensible rotation. There is clearly no thought put into the choice of abilities used as they come out seemingly at random. Just improving this to True > Disembowel > Chaos > True > Vorpal > Full > repeat is miles better than whatever buttons they were randomly pressing before and this is what I think most people are trying to stop. A basic GCD rotation with suboptimal oGCD use (by suboptimal I mean not using things on cooldown, miss-aligning buffs etc.) is all that is needed for dungeons.

The problem is, the people who do the random button presses seem to think the people giving them advice on how to play their job are rude/annoying etc. when they are just trying to, hopefully, make the game more fun and potentially make them realise those solo duties that seem to take forever are now taking far less time to complete. They also see it as them trying to tell them to do the 100% optimal rotation required for savage/ultimate raids, which again, is not the case.

So, in my opinion at least, the issue stems from the bottom. Players not willing to put in even a sliver of effort and when given advice they treat it as hostile and they feel attacked, rather than taking the advice, trying it out and seeing what happens. Could advice be given in a better way? hard to say. People react to things differently, whilst some prefer the sugar coated approach, some prefer more direct advice that is easier to read and digest. they also need to realise noone is asking for a 100% optimal rotation, but just the basics for the job is fine.

Note, that was for dungeons. It should go without saying that extreme and above content requires much more knowledge in performing your job optimally, so you should already be able to do that before entering. You should be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

[Kamome-chan]

"No one cares about a dungeon taking 5 more minutes; they just care that dungeons are taking 5 more minutes becuz respect my time!" Songless Bards; damageless healers; it doesn't make a real difference. 5 minutes is nothing; you waste more time whining and picking fights about it than you would by just finishing the damn run.

So you're mad because you think they're not respecting your time; not because these things are an ACTUAL problem. People are getting through roulettes just fine; EASILY even, despite the fact that some people coast through them. If you take this content THAT seriously then stop running it with randoms. The only minor waste of time that annoys me in roulettes is when people like you hold the group up by picking a fight with someone who isn't trying hard enough for you. Unless we're actually struggling keep the backseat driving to yourself and let the run proceed.

You're the one coming up with the 5 minutes thing in the first place. Nobody cares about spending more time in dungeons it's the reason why we have to that matter.

If I'm in Prae with fresh 50 with job quest gear I won't complain about Prae taking longer but If it's because some are afk I won't stand idly by.

[Goji1639]

You're the one coming up with the 5 minutes thing in the first place. Nobody cares about spending more time in dungeons it's the reason why we have to that matter.

If I'm in Prae with fresh 50 with job quest gear I won't complain about Prae taking longer but If it's because some are afk I won't stand idly by.

Vote kick exists for AFK; and if it's multiple people AFKing then either finish it anyways, leave and/or report them. Just don't start whining in chat; it doesn't help.

Now if a roulette is going perfectly fine, but you notice the healer isn't DPSing, Bard isn't using songs; Ninja's not keeping Huton up; etc. just let it go. Honestly, the most annoying thing in roulettes isn't some people occasionally being lazy, it's the tryhard, backseat driving whiners who pick fights in them with "respect muh time!" as their justification.

[SturmChurro]

I've always thought it was odd that wanting a healer to do something more, as in, not just standing still and doing nothing is considered "tryhard". Especially when doing DPS as a healer is like 2 skills.

[Goji1639]

I've always thought it was odd that wanting a healer to do something more, as in, not just standing still and doing nothing is considered "tryhard". Especially when doing DPS as a healer is like 2 skills.

If the run is going completely fine regardless, but you need to start a fight about it anyways because "ZOMG the disrespect of making my run take a few minutes longer!" then imo you're more of a problem than that healer is.

Sometimes people get a little lazy in ridiculously easy content. It's not worth picking at people and starting fights over; people who do that are just annoying.

[Skivvy]

Now if a roulette is going perfectly fine, but you notice the healer isn't DPSing, Bard isn't using songs; Ninja's not keeping Huton up; etc. just let it go. Honestly, the most annoying thing in roulettes isn't some people occasionally being lazy, it's the tryhard, backseat driving whiners who pick fights in them with "respect muh time!" as their justification.

A healer not DPSing isn't on the same level as a ninja not using Huton or a Bard not using songs. A healer not DPSing in a dungeon, in most cases, is someone who is just standing there doing nothing for a large chunk of the run.