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    I mean, technically we still have someone using Wind and Earth (White Mage hasn't lost any Water spells so it's still the same amount) in Red Mage. We also have Summoner using Earth and Wind as well. So it's really Water, but Water has been at the same dearth of activity since 2.0 started, it's unusual but again clearly not something they're in any rush to change.

    So long story short there is a Water gap, but as noticeable as it may be they don't seem to really be hurrying to fill it. Does this mean we might get Geomancer? Certainly. But the one Geomancer we saw didn't even use offensive based Water magic, and if we aren't limiting things to offensive water magic then there are no doubt other spells that use water aether for non-offensive purposes.

    You're also throwing around tautology a lot Vendal without a firm grasp of what it means or what I'm arguing, you should probably do a better job of reading before trying to make a claim that's false. None of what I'm arguing is a tautology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    So then you're proposing that we get dedicated Water/Wind/Earth/Light/Dark offensive magic all from Geomancer?
    That's quite the leap in logic. For starters, I don't think anybody else said anything about Light or Dark magic for Geomancer. Not every gap needs to be filled simultaneously by exactly one addition.

    Second, Light and Dark aren't official elements in terms of damage, and are always treated as Unaspected magic damage. Aesthetically however, WHM, RDM, and BLM already dip into them - Holy (and Verholy by extension), Glare, Dia, and the Afflatus line for Light, and Foul and Xenoglossy for Dark (utilizing Voidsent cast effects). When Thaumaturge specialized in Umbral and Astral damage in 1.0, Bio was considered the Umbral counterpart to Dia, so you could argue SCH and SMN dip into Dark with it and their Drain spells; this also fits with Broil utilizing the same Dark effects used by Ascians, DRK... or any enemy who casts "Dark".

    We also have Wind and Earth available through RDM and SMN. Water's really the only untapped elemental magic - not to say we can't have a caster that dips into other elements as well.

    As far as GEO goes, I don't think I've heard anyone propose it use more that Water, Wind, Earth, and maybe Fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    I'm more arguing that because you see theoretical gaps that the developer team does not really. So far your argument for it is.. really weak. Red Mage barely uses Earth, and uses less Wind spells than White Mage did in Stormblood.
    Oddly picky about your representation.

    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    But the one Geomancer we saw didn't even use offensive based Water magic, and if we aren't limiting things to offensive water magic then there are no doubt other spells that use water aether for non-offensive purposes.
    That's like comparing the RDM we received to the one instance of Alisaie using an aetherial sword in HW.

    Bearing in mind "the one Geomancer we saw", if you mean Kyokuho, only had 3 spells. I would highly doubt the devs instilled one NPC with the entirety of their design philosophy for a classic job multiple expansions before hypothetical implementation; all he highlights is that Geomancer is established within the lore, giving it a backdoor for entry as a job should the devs so desire.
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    Last edited by Archwizard; 07-17-2020 at 12:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia View Post
    But the one Geomancer we saw didn't even use offensive based Water magic, and if we aren't limiting things to offensive water magic then there are no doubt other spells that use water aether for non-offensive purposes.
    You're forgetting the Four Lords arc with the Swallows Compass and Sai Taisui. Adding in the lore about Ganen, the founder of Geomancy.
    An entire dungeon based around Geomancy, offensive Geomancy to boot.
    The AST quest is a footnote compared to all that.
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