Walk it Back: Hissatsu Kaiten

[Apopopo]

"Oh but devs like megathreads more."

You know what's cooler then a megathread? Not ruining jobs. Revert it.

If the devs follow through on removing Kaiten, the only thing it proves to us, is that the player experience doesn't matter, and that they not only don't care about player feedback, but that their job design team is incredibly out of touch.

[Ransu]

I mean, the patch has gone through QA and is set in stone at this point. Its highly unlikely to see a last minute change.

[Quor]

I mean, the patch has gone through QA and is set in stone at this point. Its highly unlikely to see a last minute change.

Last minute change? Probably not. Reversion, like they did with Hagakure removal in early ShB? That's very much on the table. They key is to not stop making a stink about this. Highlight Yoshi P.'s inconsistent view on this; he states that the lack of resource management was a major problem in 1.0, as people would just use the most powerful spell available to them, yet here they are implementing a change that removes what little resource management SAM has. It feels like whoever was responsible for this decision knows little-to-nothing about SAM as a job. At least *some* resource management is leagues better than the absolute mindless Shinten spam that will replace it, which, incidentally, goes counter to what the devs said regarding the direction they wanted SAM to go in ShB (less Shinten, more Iaijutsu).

[wereotter]

I'd rather take the automatic crit over the damage buff, but that's just me.... seriously you'd think they were deleting the job entirely the way some samurai players are acting.

[Ransu]

I'd rather take the automatic crit over the damage buff, but that's just me.... seriously you'd think they were deleting the job entirely the way some samurai players are acting.

They may as well given how badly sam will synergize with jobs that buff crit rates. Statics can work around it, but its probably going to be a problem for PF groups.

[SlickPaws]

I'd rather take the automatic crit over the damage buff, but that's just me.... seriously you'd think they were deleting the job entirely the way some samurai players are acting.

Honestly, they might as well just delete the job because most SAM players are going to stop playing it because of this. Myself included.

[KatsukoYashiro]

I actually went on the official forums here to put my voice in on this as well. I can take the crit thing but changing a very integral part of the job rotation to reduce bloat that the devs introduced themselves by adding new abilities/weaponskills themselves is really frustrating.

If they need to cull abilities go for something else. I've seen people suggest making shoha become shoha II at 82, I've seen it suggested that Ikishoten become Ogi Namikiri, or that Hissatsu: Senei be removed instead and just go back to 4.0 where we only had Guren. I'd prefer all of these over the removal of this ability.

[Edweena]

If they need to cull abilities go for something else. I've seen people suggest making shoha become shoha II at 82, I've seen it suggested that Ikishoten become Ogi Namikiri, or that Hissatsu: Senei be removed instead and just go back to 4.0 where we only had Guren. I'd prefer all of these over the removal of this ability.

There's an even more genius idea I've read where someone suggested instead of removing Senei, it instead becomes an upgrade to Shinten (still as a kenki dump, not the 2m cd) instead. Keep the fancy animation that way, it's at least more satisfying to press visually so people wouldn't mind if the kenki cost was higher to lower the "action bloat" or APM on Samurai.
Addresses both button bloat, and the mistranslation of "action bloat" from the stream. Because apparently we're just too damn busy somehow.

[SlickPaws]

There's an even more genius idea I've read where someone suggested instead of removing Senei, it instead becomes an upgrade to Shinten (still as a kenki dump, not the 2m cd) instead. Keep the fancy animation that way, it's at least more satisfying to press visually so people wouldn't mind if the kenki cost was higher to lower the "action bloat" or APM on Samurai.
Addresses both button bloat, and the mistranslation of "action bloat" from the stream. Because apparently we're just too damn busy somehow.

Senei would be better merged with Guren IMO, seeing as they're on the same CD and might as well be two sides of the same coin. A better rework would be unlocking Senei when you unlock Guren, then have it upgrade to Guren when you normally unlock Senei. Keep the same massive damage for the first target, throw in some 50 - 75% drop off for every target that isn't primary and boom, we've saved ourselves a button without really affecting how the class plays in a major way. Iaijutsu and Tsubame-Gaeshi should get combined onto the same button as well, and the charges for Tsubame should just show on your gauge. If there's a stack there, have Midare Setsugekka change to Kaeshi Setsugekka after you use it, same way the Ogi Namikiri and Kaeshi Namakiri work just now. There's a whole bunch of little tweaks that SAM players are talking about that make far more sense than removing Kaiten. Makes you wonder who's asking for these changes, who's testing these changes and who's actually implementing them.

[Caduagm]

that they not only don't care about player feedback, but that their job design team is incredibly out of touch.

Yeah, they don't care at all about player feedback... Healers are the absolute proof of that.