Can we please get aggro management back?

[ForteNightshade]

I mean...that is the job of a dps though; to pump out as much dps as possible. I had more issues with "mah dps" from tanks back in Heavensward when STR accessories were a thing and tanks who absolutely REFUSED to turn on Tanks Stance, because DPS Stance was so much better....until we all died.

There was enmity reducers back then, yes, but if the tank actively refused to use the tools provided themselves, then I don't blame the other players for not using their's as well.

That's a poor argument. Those aggro tools on DPS cost them nothing whereas Tank Stance was a massively DPS loss. In fact, Tank Stance was so bad, it was a raid DPS loss to turn it on instead of having Monk use Purification; keeping in mind Purification was linked to Forbidden Charka. So in other words, Monk giving up a 300+ potency attack (whatever it was back then) was less of a loss than forcing a Dark Knight to turn on Grit and do a Power Slash combo.

Of course tanks did far more damage back than relative to the DPS. So while that would no longer be the case in Shadowbringers, it still speaks volumes on how poorly thought out Tank Stance was and why tanks never wanted to use it.

[TyrTry]

That's a poor argument. Those aggro tools on DPS cost them nothing whereas Tank Stance was a massively DPS loss. In fact, Tank Stance was so bad, it was a raid DPS loss to turn it on instead of having Monk use Purification; keeping in mind Purification was linked to Forbidden Charka. So in other words, Monk giving up a 300+ potency attack (whatever it was back then) was less of a loss than forcing a Dark Knight to turn on Grit and do a Power Slash combo.

Of course tanks did far more damage back than relative to the DPS. So while that would no longer be the case in Shadowbringers, it still speaks volumes on how poorly thought out Tank Stance was and why tanks never wanted to use it.

Perhaps. But it was never my attempt to argue.

I spent too much time in past arguing over the differences between tank stance vs dps stance that I eventually got tired of it. I'm aware of the dps loss and all that info (I use to stance dance all the time and gotten into plenty heated debates over it). I've been chewed out repeatedly for tanking in dps stance or for tanking too much in tank stance.

It was just in my experience that the "mah dps" mentality mostly came from the tanks I would que up with expecting others to accommodate for them when aggro exploded. It wasn't often, but it was notable.