Tanking in FF14 question

[MerlinCross]

So.... I'm going to have to say a few unpopular things.

I had a big post ready to go, but I don't want to really take OP's topic and turn it into another battle ground about Tanks.

I just ask, when was the last time you leveled a Job and when did it become fun?

Cause each expansion they seem to be pushing that "You get to have fun now" further back by pushing the more useful skills/complete experience back further and further.

I can argue a LOT about some things and be argued back in turn but I think most people here can agree on something. Low level in FF14 is a pain/annoying.

It's just to bad they keep raising the cap on what seems to be "Low Level". Is that a scheme to sell jump potions?

[Mithia]

I can argue against that by saying that they make you start with your core abilities and only later will you get the abilities that aren't as important but good usage of them will definitely make you stand out.

[Maeka]

I had a big post ready to go, but I don't want to really take OP's topic and turn it into another battle ground about Tanks.

I just ask, when was the last time you leveled a Job and when did it become fun?

Cause each expansion they seem to be pushing that "You get to have fun now" further back by pushing the more useful skills/complete experience back further and further.

I can argue a LOT about some things and be argued back in turn but I think most people here can agree on something. Low level in FF14 is a pain/annoying.

It's just to bad they keep raising the cap on what seems to be "Low Level". Is that a scheme to sell jump potions?

I have all jobs on Level 80, and from doing so many leveling roulettes getting anything between Sastasha and Gulg, I'd have to say that I've a decent idea of what several jobs are like during the various levels now.

In fact, just today, I got the final weapon (BLM's) from the Resistance. You can check me on Lodestone if you don't believe me (Maeka Blazewing @ Cactaur).

I would have to say that I had reasonable fun leveling them all (except for BLM in SB+. I hate Enochian. I really really do).

Early level dungeons can feel like a bit of a slog now and then, I get that. For some reason, SE thinks that players' minds will implode if they have more than 3 buttons to push. However, I DID notice that they do give you some buttons early. Such as Spirits Within being a Lv30-ish skill now, for example. That used to be Lv45+ IIRC.

I also remember when Paladins had no AoE beyond Circle of Scorn when you had to tab-target mobs constantly to dump savage blades (remember that pointless skill?) and rage of halones trying to keep junk on you.

Or how about Flash? Did anybody ever care about the Blindness effect? Heck a lot of newbie Paladins never used Flash and couldn't figure out why the mobs were always chewing on the healers because quite frankly, the skill seemed like a waste of time to somebody who didn't know any better.

So it isn't Quite as bad as it used to be in expansions past, as far as skills at lower levels. And I'm certainly liking the faster dungeon clears due to more jobs having more AoEs. Now if only we could fix MNK and DRG having to wait so long to get theirs.

[MerlinCross]

I have all jobs on Level 80, and from doing so many leveling roulettes getting anything between Sastasha and Gulg, I'd have to say that I've a decent idea of what several jobs are like during the various levels now.

In fact, just today, I got the final weapon (BLM's) from the Resistance. You can check me on Lodestone if you don't believe me (Maeka Blazewing @ Cactaur).

I would have to say that I had reasonable fun leveling them all (except for BLM in SB+. I hate Enochian. I really really do).

Early level dungeons can feel like a bit of a slog now and then, I get that. For some reason, SE thinks that players' minds will implode if they have more than 3 buttons to push. However, I DID notice that they do give you some buttons early. Such as Spirits Within being a Lv30-ish skill now, for example. That used to be Lv45+ IIRC.

I also remember when Paladins had no AoE beyond Circle of Scorn when you had to tab-target mobs constantly to dump savage blades (remember that pointless skill?) and rage of halones trying to keep junk on you.

Or how about Flash? Did anybody ever care about the Blindness effect? Heck a lot of newbie Paladins never used Flash and couldn't figure out why the mobs were always chewing on the healers because quite frankly, the skill seemed like a waste of time to somebody who didn't know any better.

So it isn't Quite as bad as it used to be in expansions past, as far as skills at lower levels. And I'm certainly liking the faster dungeon clears due to more jobs having more AoEs. Now if only we could fix MNK and DRG having to wait so long to get theirs.

I didn't ask did you have fun leveling them all, I asked when did the fun kick in? When did it start clicking, when did it feel you started to get a good handle on the class, when did the game start allowing you to have fun? Cause as an example, Ninja has always kinda suffered from highs and lows to me based on some of the unlocks; some were useful others dead weight such as Smoke Screen(YES, I know Smoke Screen was very VERY good for Raids but on leveling content that was basically a dead unlock). You brought up DRG and MNK, are they not as a fun because they don't get their AoE's earlier?

Also, no I don't recall those days. I do recall the days of 2 unleash and then just using scorne on everything as DRK. Now I just stand in place as WAR and hit my two buttons if the game decides I'm at a level to get those. Exciting game play.

Look I'm not saying what we had before was better but I question the idea of "Fixing AoE" with just one more attack that I keep seeing going around. And if Speed is the reason, maybe just cut down on the amount of trash or HP of them. Most trash is trash; just there to slow you down or be a speedbump of uninteresting. Lowering the amount lets us get to the more interesting fights(Though Item Level these days makes some fights over before they get started).

And the Flash thing could have been explained but I do feel like I'm missing a CD or two when doing low level PLD stuff, almost like that was designed on the idea you might have a blind. Does Flash being gone make it impossible? No Item Level makes everything better and they more than likely did take that into account, but when I was leveling it up, I kept feeling like I didn't have enough CDs for the content I was doing. I can only spam Shelltron so much.

That's not a good feeling to have as a Tank.

But getting back to OP, no, trash is boring it mainly worthless regardless of how late into the game you get. At the start of the expansion, yeah okay that always messes people up but I think most people have a handle of it so you should be fine unless you or the rest of the party mess up royally. The bosses are better and there are some enemies/dungeons that need more attention but there's a reason most Tanks are rumored to have Netflix/Youtube in the background.

Get to Trials/Raids/EX/Savage and then it becomes more interesting but no, trash rarely gets exciting.