It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[AHelpingPaw]

>It is not about males in femenine items
>Complains only begin when males can finally equip femenine items.

Hmmm.

[Fland]

Which is why it'd be nice if people would discuss the mechanics or specifics, but we've got a lot of replies that outright turn this into a morality problem, which is harder to discuss. We'll have 2 or 3 posts discussing an actual implementation and then a side track of like 30 arguing about calling someone a bigot or saying the thread is stupid. Also , one flag, client side, telling the client to instead of load one glamour to load another wouldn't be particularly processing power intensive and if it's basically loading ONLY one style for all WAR or BLK on the screen then it'd probably reduce processing.

How will the flag do the detection tho? Is it by one piece of the glam or the entire set? Some people might only glam one piece of a set (only a frog head instead of the entire set for example). Also (CMIIW) I'm not even sure if the current loading process is by detecting each piece of equipment of other characters. I assume when we save our character appearance (with glam or not), it'd be save as one data and this one data will be the one called from server when our character appear on other's screen. So if they would implement this glam filter detecting flag (detecting each part of appearance), then they probably would have to change the way other characters load on our screen currently instead of just adding on top of it, which could be too much work.

[Theodric]

>It is not about males in femenine items
>Complains only begin when males can finally equip femenine items.

Hmmm.

The thread has existed in various forms for quite some time, actually.

That aside, I quite like looking at male characters - I'm into other men, after all! That doesn't mean I want to look at men wearing dresses, though. It's also an exceptionally niche thing to begin with.

[AHelpingPaw]

The thread has existed in various forms for quite some time, actually.

Yes, and 90% of the times, when you dug into the thread deep enough, it ended up being about males wearing x or x colors (usually pink)

I am not gonna pretend there never was a thread for distinct reasons (and that stuck to those reasons) but the majority easily was.

[E4EO]

Wow, so many of you react passionately to the very suggestion of this feature being implemented, calling others babies and saying they’re overreacting, and for what? All this would do is give players more freedom in how the see the game world, similar to customizing your HUD or nametags, and nobody is overreacting to this except the people who manage to stoop so low as to insult/mock others for them even suggesting that they may agree with something as silly as this, yikes people.

And I also see people going on about how Eorzea won’t see them how they want to be perceived, well, maybe people don’t want to see tanks in maid outfits and bikinis or other jobs in frog/chocobo masks, who are you to get mad at what they don’t like when you are wearing is possibly the opposite of what said role is supposed to be wearing? You gotta agree it’s a little bit nutty if you really start to think about it.

Of course there is a risk of this feature being abused and everyone blacklisting everything, but judging by this games community I feel only a portion of the community would blacklist certain things on certain jobs, and sometimes it might be justified, (Chocobo mask, frog mask, tanks in bikinis and maid outfits) it just comes full circle with more personalization.

[AHelpingPaw]

when you are wearing is possibly the opposite of what said role is supposed to be wearing?

And who are you to say what each role is supposed to be wearing?
I do not mean to be a smart-hind, but if the game has an entire system to allow you to choose your looks, maybe it´s for a reason?

I also think you people underestimate how silly many armor sets would look while dyed and mixed up with different content pieces.
It would not make things look any more "realistic" than it does now.

In fact, i am pretty much sure that for every silly glamour player, there´s a player that glamours their mismatched armor into something more coherent and good looking, and all those players would then become a visual mess once their glamours were "hidden"

[Awha]

I think going forward we should ignore the morality aspect, and discuss methods as to how a feature like this can be implemented that would be acceptable for both sides.

I know my idea of putting everyone in a standard set of gear would not please many so taking that off the table. I have seen ideas such as glam blacklist, how do we think would be the best possible way to have that work. Would it block that item or if a person has a blacklisted item it simply flags the persons and puts them in a set gear like a robe or AF or would the system simply block said item and replace it with an item of our choosing or a default set by SE?

I do think if both sides came together we could come up with a method that may not be the ideal situation for either side, but may very well come up with an idea that both sides could live with.

[Dan4077]

There have been many options discussed on how to address that particular problem: Standardized glamour overwrites, entire character










Which is why it'd be nice if people would discuss the mechanics or specifics, but we've got a lot of replies that outright turn this into a morality problem, which is harder to discuss. We'll have 2 or 3 posts discussing an actual implementation and then a side track of like 30 arguing about calling someone a bigot or saying the thread is stupid. Also , one flag, client side, telling the client to instead of load one glamour to load another wouldn't be particularly processing power intensive and if it's basically loading ONLY one style for all WAR or BLK on the screen then it'd probably reduce processing.




and again.. this is a video game. Not real life. I experience PLENTY of real life. I have a job, I have social obligations and interactions. I have friends and relatives I see regularly in person. Daily I need to go outside and deal with people because they are everywhere and part of adulting to survive. I play video games partially to escape real life's rules and problems.



ALL of this is your personal take on what an MMO is and what should be part of it. So while I cannot argue your own personal perspective I can say from my side I don't feel you have any right to standardize or enforce your personal "expression" on my screen. You'll never know unless I say something, you are unaffected in your choices or gameplay, and at no point should I be forced to experience the game with you in particular.


Do you HAVE to be able to show off to people who don't want to see it? I understand that you enjoy how you're seen as well as how you personally see yourself, but if someone DOES NOT want to see what you've done, do you HAVE to still show them it?

You serious act as if I am making you stare at my privates. And on top of that Im not MAKING you or anyone stare at me so don't be trying to pull that lame excuse. glamour is endgame is not just a meme, its true to a very high degree. quite frankly if there was a feature added to the game it would lose people. and I doubt HIGHLY that people be like, wow a feature that defaults your glam, that makes me want to grind hours, pay irl money to stare at myself. No at that point id play a single player rpg where there is no one to interfere and i could just mod. That is just stupid, you are in an mmo for Fs sake. You and all these people KNEW what they were getting into. And they had the choice to say yes to buying or no. and if this game blocked glam I wouldnt have bought it. Any person thats even seen an mmo knows that people will find ways to make whacky ass outfits to run around in. I don't support time being wasted on such a dumb feature that counters one of the main reasons many play MMOs at that point they might as well just shoot themselves in the foot a few times.

[Dan4077]

I think going forward we should ignore the morality aspect, and discuss methods as to how a feature like this can be implemented that would be acceptable for both sides.

I know my idea of putting everyone in a standard set of gear would not please many so taking that off the table. I have seen ideas such as glam blacklist, how do we think would be the best possible way to have that work. Would it block that item or if a person has a blacklisted item it simply flags the persons and puts them in a set gear like a robe or AF or would the system simply block said item and replace it with an item of our choosing or a default set by SE?

I do think if both sides came together we could come up with a method that may not be the ideal situation for either side, but may very well come up with an idea that both sides could live with.

There is none, the moment you can alter "my" character. I'm done. That is the entire point it is "my" character. I designed my character to play in a "fantasy" world where I see all types of people even ones in outfits I completely hate and don't want to look at. Unfortunately for people MMOs are made to "SOMEWHAT" mimic the real world but change its theme. Adding magic,monsters, and cool stories. And you get to do cool stuff and look cool or w.e around others. I'd drop the game and friends of mine agree so its at LEAST not just me who thinks this.

[EmoPanther]

I've been skipping through this, but to my understanding, people are suggesting that only the person seeing the glamour would see a "censored" (for lack of a better word) Glamour, and not what the person actually created. So if that's the case, why do other people care if someone doesn't see your glamour? You'd still see it wouldn't you? Isn't that all that matters, if you like it? Why does it matter if someone else doesn't want to see it and has the option not to?

Honestly, this doesn't sound any different to me than the people saying "Get rid of genderlocked items."