It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

I am not reading threw over a 1000 posts to find your argument so saying this gets you no where at all. You say it or don't, just because you made some argument to another doesn't make it automatically valid because you don't want to repeat yourself, that is ridiculous.

Considering I remember you joining in BEFORE I stated my piece I'm thinking you're just kinda cherrypicking things to respond to.. but the gist is:
Immersion is personal, it is not lore. If you are breaking my IMMERSION you are being incongruous with my own personal story and narrative I've made up in my mind. If you claim that something cannot possibly break that immersion you are claiming I don't know my own story. Claims of immersion breaking with odd/sexy/silly glamours are all valid and separate from LORE arguments. It's much easier to work a uniform for adventurers into a story than meeting someone in a pig head, bikini bottom and armored boots.

Yes and all those readings of "flags" as you like to put it and changes it takes PROCESSING POWER. Now depending on how they do it, and how it works it can either be less stressful or more depending on added features such as having to read threw individual blacklisted glamours like some were asking for. I said I KNOW because this is an un-debatable fact on how computers work and a ps4 is just a computer with a different operating system. Anything the server does whether its loading characters trees glamour w.e takes processing power. .
If you add on to those processes it will either effect it in some way better or not.

The added "processing" is minimal if the game works anything like most of the other MMO's out there if worst case scenario individual blacklists are used. There will be one more flag check if that person is on someones blacklist. However considering we both don't know for sure how the system works, using this argument isn't particularly compelling.

I did not specify ANY kind of glam block option I just said that for certain ones people were asking for it would take a lot for lower systems if you could go around blocking individual peoples glamours and parts. Plus all of this depends on how the glam option works if it replaces the code for the amour you are wearing it will read it as the glamour anyway. Like you literally just claimed idk how the system works don't take a full loop and start talking like you know how the system works. Their glamour system could work in multiple ways.

I literally stated that this was if they used standards that other games used. You were the one who said you "KNOW".

So if people are wearing actual gear for their role (not a glamour - real battle gear) that is a bikini or a dress then block that set from being seen? If I am understanding this correctly I would have to say a hard no. The devs spend a lot of time creating the gear they put in the game (both gear and glamour) and if people are just going to block whole sets so they don't have to see it? I'm sorry but I have to say at that point this game may not be for you (general you). I HATE that phrase. I really do, but seriously if regular gear is going to offend someone's sensibilities then I don't know why that person would even be playing this game.

For the hundreds of other aspects and pieces of gear that aren't weird/goofy/oversexed? I understand the sentiment but while glamouring is a lot of peoples "endgame" it is by no means everyones beat all end all, and everyone has personal tastes which may not align with even the developers (see male bunny suits) . We can choose what we wear and stay within those particular likes/dislikes and try and minimize the rest appearing on our screen.

Reading through many (not all) of theses comments, i can't help but think... We are living in a damn decedent time if you have so little stress in your life that another persons chosen glamour/ representation of their in game character is your biggest/ most pressing issue... Truly the importance of this subject and it's subsequent responses for it's inclusion are truly inspiring.

It's nobodies biggest issue and even in the context of this thread people who support it admit they've gone this far without it and continuing isn't particularly difficult either. And if you wanna talk about decadent remember you are playing a video game, frittering time, money, and electricity away on something that accomplishes next to nothing other than increasing dopamine flow.
This is nobodies "line in the sand" but it would be nice to have.

[Granyala]

We can choose what we wear and stay within those particular likes/dislikes and try and minimize the rest appearing on our screen.

Why are people so obsessed with the above?
I don't get it. I see so many offensive things in real life that are far more annoying than a dude hopping around in a bunny suit (which basically only makes me chuckle).

Where does this urge and logic of "I don't like this, I shouldn't have to see it!" come from?

[YatoShishi]

people are still whining that other people want that option? who cares, it doesnt effect you at all if someone wants to turn off glamour.

[Krotoan]

Why are people so obsessed with the above?
I don't get it. I see so many offensive things in real life that are far more annoying than a dude hopping around in a bunny suit (which basically only makes me chuckle).

Where does this urge and logic of "I don't like this, I shouldn't have to see it!" come from?

Obsessed? What makes you think anyone is obsessed? I just like to customize my experience. Customization in my games is probably one of my favorite things. tailoring the experience to MY likes and wants.

The logic is: I am playing a game I pay for a license to access , on hardware I bought, for an experience I mostly have control over. An option to see what I'd like to see on my own equipment that wouldn't affect ANYONE else seems pretty innocuous and self explanatory.

In real life I have physical laws and social niceties I have to observe, like I cannot magically make the world look as I wish and I absolutely have no right to tell someone else they should change how they look just because I don't like it.

My question right back at you is how can you not differentiate the difference between wishing to customize a video game you play and interacting with the "real world"?

[Awha]

Why are people so obsessed with the above?
I don't get it. I see so many offensive things in real life that are far more annoying than a dude hopping around in a bunny suit (which basically only makes me chuckle).

Where does this urge and logic of "I don't like this, I shouldn't have to see it!" come from?

Interesting thing this would not even be a concern if this game had mod support, since in practice what people are asking for is a mod that changes the appearance of certain items. Which is fairly common in the PC world, since asset alterations have been a thing people have done in games for ages so it not that odd of a request when you look at it from the context of a video game.

Though if I did have the option to alter how things or people looked through my vision only without anyone else knowing I would do it.

[Lambdafish]

Interesting thing this would not even be a concern if this game had mod support, since in practice what people are asking for is a mod that changes the appearance of certain items. Which is fairly common in the PC world, since asset alterations have been a thing people have done in games for ages so it not that odd of a request when you look at it from the context of a video game.

Though if I did have the option to alter how things or people looked through my vision only without anyone else knowing I would do it.

That is pretty much what mods in this game already do. But you know, come with the added risk of getting you banned.

[Granyala]

My question right back at you is how can you not differentiate the difference between wishing to customize a video game you play and interacting with the "real world"?

I see no distinction. In both cases you wish to remove things that offend you on a personal level.

Only difference is: IRL there is usually nothing you can do about it, here in a game you think you can demand it from the developer.
You can demand all you want but the DEV is under no obligation to cater to your whim.

I find common ad-ridden radio and mainstream music super annoying and I often wish I had a pocket sized EMP ready to shut these devices up, so I am quite familiar with the desire to remove things from my perception I disagree with.

that wouldn't affect ANYONE else

It has been established that the above is not true.
Repeating it won't change that fact.

Though if I did have the option to alter how things or people looked through my vision only without anyone else knowing I would do it.

You can. People have been doing it for years in pretty much any MMO I know of.
It's close to never official though and if the DEVs finds out you are doing it, your account is toast.

[Eldevern]

It's not that important for me but... considering what we sometime meet in the game, I understand the OP.

[Barachim]

I see no distinction. In both cases you wish to remove things that offend you on a personal level.

On our end. The person with the glamour would not be affected and still wear their glamour and never even know that they glamour doesn't appear on our screen.

Only difference is: IRL there is usually nothing you can do about it, here in a game you think you can demand it from the developer.
You can demand all you want but the DEV is under no obligation to cater to your whim.

Not demanding. Suggesting and asking for a nice to have feature.

I find common ad-ridden radio and mainstream music super annoying and I often wish I had a pocket sized EMP ready to shut these devices up, so I am quite familiar with the desire to remove things from my perception I disagree with.

Except your example isn't remotely like the feature people have been suggesting. We're suggesting a feature that works only client site, affecting only the person who decides to use the feature and doesn't affect anyone else's experience with the game.

It has been established that the above is not true.
Repeating it won't change that fact.

Ok, then please explain how a client site only Glamour Toggle feature would affect everyone else?

[Krotoan]

I see no distinction. In both cases you wish to remove things that offend you on a personal level.

Because in one case it's actual real life where it would affect people directly and conflicts with known laws of physics and reality. The other it's a mutable environment with options available that impact nothing perceivable on anyone's side but the user.

There is a gigantic difference between walking up to someone and telling them they cannot wear something because you don't like it and quietly changing only your perception so you do not have to see it.

Only difference is: IRL there is usually nothing you can do about it, here in a game you think you can demand it from the developer.
You can demand all you want but the DEV is under no obligation to cater to your whim.

Who says it's a demand? It's an ask and several people supporting the idea. Of course they're not under obligation, however if enough people are interested in the option it's worth looking into.

I find common ad-ridden radio and mainstream music super annoying and I often wish I had a pocket sized EMP ready to shut these devices up, so I am quite familiar with the desire to remove things from my perception I disagree with.

And this would DESTROY peoples devices. Quite different.

It has been established that the above is not true.
Repeating it won't change that fact.

The only thing established is that there are people who the very idea that someone will not see them as they've carefully crafted distresses them. Perceptibly NOTHING would change for them. While I don't dismiss the fact that this is a problem to consider, there is no perceivable effect, only psychological.