It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Awha]

So what even will this filter do? putting everyone in artifact gear?
I don't know about you guys but I would feel less immersed with dozens of people wearing the same gear around me compared to seeing different glamours.

I cannot speak for others but the reason why someone would use a feature matters very little to me, at the core I agree with giving players an option to hide aspects they do not want to personally see and I do not care as to why someone would want to avoid seeing something. I just tried to come up with an idea that would require minimal amount of effort in terms of implementation and UI. A glam blacklist would prob be ideal for most but I am sure that would be tedious and have a limit.

[Fland]

It'd be quite complicated if the implementation is too specific. But it'd also won't really work if it's not specific.
Simply removing the glam to display the item underneath won't work since some people might actually wearing that item instead of glamouring it over other item. They might end up seeing a bunch of characters in their underwear. And if they make it so that removing a glam will display the character in AF gear, then that's additional data to be loaded and can affect performance.

[ElazulHP]

Well, if you took the time to read through the thread you'd note that hardly anyone is bringing that up as a reason for their support of the proposal. Not that it'd matter if they did, mind you, since there's nothing wrong with someone finding such a fashion choice to be overrated/questionable to begin with.

I'd also note that such sights are extremely uncommon in the real world to begin with in a great many regions so...that isn't too relevant to the point at hand.

I'm not reading through a 160+ page thread of a bunch of man children whining about wanting to turning off glam because they're triggered about men in dresses in a video game or some other dumb reason. "such sights are extremely uncommon". Not where I live! I went to go vote today and saw a guy in drag voting. I think people need to get out of their bubbles and experience life a bit more. You can't control everything and everyone around you.

[SturmChurro]

I'm not reading through a 160+ page thread of a bunch of man children whining about wanting to turning off glam because they're triggered about men in dresses in a video game or some other dumb reason. "such sights are extremely uncommon". Not where I live! I went to go vote today and saw a guy in drag voting. I think people need to get out of their bubbles and experience life a bit more. You can't control everything and everyone around you.

The fact that you noticed a guy in drag means it's uncommon. Otherwise it would have been normal for you.

[Theodric]

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So, you're accusing people of something that isn't even happening in the thread?

[Lauront]

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I've seen men in dresses before - could you please explain what it has to do with "experiencing" life?

In a game environment you certainly can control what you see around you. Just because you can't do that IRL (although you sort of can by just not associating with people you would rather not... at least for now), it does not follow you should not be able to customise your experience more in-game. Understanding that some people have different tastes, which does not make them what you called them, is more so the product of experiencing life, I would say.

That said, when you come in here, tarring people asking for the feature with the brush you have, you're not exactly starting on the best of footings.

[Dan4077]

Considering I remember you joining in BEFORE I stated my piece I'm thinking you're just kinda cherrypicking things to respond to.. but the gist is:
Immersion is personal, it is not lore. If you are breaking my IMMERSION you are being incongruous with my own personal story and narrative I've made up in my mind. If you claim that something cannot possibly break that immersion you are claiming I don't know my own story. Claims of immersion breaking with odd/sexy/silly glamours are all valid and separate from LORE arguments. It's much easier to work a uniform for adventurers into a story than meeting someone in a pig head, bikini bottom and armored boots.


The added "processing" is minimal if the game works anything like most of the other MMO's out there if worst case scenario individual blacklists are used. There will be one more flag check if that person is on someones blacklist. However considering we both don't know for sure how the system works, using this argument isn't particularly compelling.



I literally stated that this was if they used standards that other games used. You were the one who said you "KNOW".




For the hundreds of other aspects and pieces of gear that aren't weird/goofy/oversexed? I understand the sentiment but while glamouring is a lot of peoples "endgame" it is by no means everyones beat all end all, and everyone has personal tastes which may not align with even the developers (see male bunny suits) . We can choose what we wear and stay within those particular likes/dislikes and try and minimize the rest appearing on our screen.


It's nobodies biggest issue and even in the context of this thread people who support it admit they've gone this far without it and continuing isn't particularly difficult either. And if you wanna talk about decadent remember you are playing a video game, frittering time, money, and electricity away on something that accomplishes next to nothing other than increasing dopamine flow.
This is nobodies "line in the sand" but it would be nice to have.

No not cherry picking. And the allure of an mmo to many people is BEING around other people and looking cool/silly/edgy, and being able to show that off is part of an mmo. If people get to just blacklist you cause they dont like it. That annoys me so sorry to them but quite frankly I don't really see the point in dressing up all sweet if it really doesnt matter. Sure not everyone would use the function but i still hate the idea of it. I make my character this is an mmo you have to deal with seeing it the way i made it. I do not support the idea of people blocking my characters glamour its suppose to say something about my character.

[SamRF]

You can't control everything and everyone around you.

You also can't control what players of a video game want to see on their screen from their own client.

That's what's nice about video games, you don't need to abide by real life (natural) laws. You're in a virtual world which is simulated by code, written and designed by human beings their creativity.

[Colt47]

On the surface I'd agree with the idea to give the option to hide others glamour, but then it comes down to the motivations behind using glamour to begin with. The entire idea is to make an outfit that not just you see, but other see as well. The whole joy of Glamour isn't just aesthetics but the ability to show off, and yes it can definitely break immersion.

However, glamour is one, if not the biggest, powerhouse behind the FFXIV market. We'd likely not have the crafting and economy we have today in FFXIV without the glamour system that exists now. Raid consumables are only a small portion of sales, end game gear is really only relevant at the start of a numbered patch, and the housing market is sort of the black sheep since it generates market motion, but the number of people who buy external housing goods is capped due to the infrastructure.

[Krotoan]

Okay, so what happens if someone is legit wearing the gear you hate and not just glammed on? Does the filter strip them naked? That sounds like it’d defeat the purpose of the filter, lmao.

Also, the devs are never going to do this anyway because a) that’s a lot of effort with a lot that can go wrong and b) ever heard the old Internet rule of “Don’t Like, Don’t Look”?

There have been many options discussed on how to address that particular problem: Standardized glamour overwrites, entire character replacements, etc.
A)this has NEVER stopped them before
B)Sticking your head in the sand is never a great solution and honestly I've never heard of that being an accepted solution on the internet

If I’m wearing a glam you hate and you can’t be bothered to angle the camera away, that’s your problem. And if we’re in a dungeon together, why the heck are you even staring at my glam? Eyes on the mobs and your surroundings, genius!

No matter how anyone spins it, they’re nothing good old fashioned looking away can’t solve. And are we really going to start griping about the less than 3 seconds someone jumping in your view would spend? Again, either they run off your screen or you angle the darn camera away. It’s not rocket science.

Speaking of, petition for a convenient nutkin glam for us to live our nude Thancred dreams. That oughta fix things!

what if you're standing around in my cutscene and I can't control the camera.. or standing in a common area I want to RP or screenshot in and in the angle I want to use.. These are just as if not more valid concerns to present in the face of "but I would KNOW someone MIGHT be using the option" arguments. I'm all for whatever glamour you want to use, however the option to not have to experience that glamour in everything I do would be nice.

This is, by far, the easiest solution to such an admittedly petty problem! Thank you!❤~

As for those of you who keep shooting down others' suggestions to resolve this, I just want to ask why you think it's right for you to expect people to cater to your whims while not offering to give the other side something to gain from it as well. The only people who would truly gain anything from this idiot problem (that's right, I said it! It's the dumbest problem I have ever seen!) are those who support it. I'm sorry but I can no longer take a neutral stance on this. I am wholeheartedly against it.

Once more, allowing "filtering" of glamours in any way would remove the dev argument of role appearance consistency AND the general player excuse and outrage against non-traditional glamours in general. If you think something looks weird on a class or don't like how a glamour looks this options would give you an out. So rather than go on tirades in threads about how something looks out of lore or incongruous, these people could just be told "so filter it out".

You have to realize that a lot of this thread is the same people posting over and over in order to keep the post showing. Not all, but a fair amount. I'm sure some would use it, but I wouldn't use this thread as any sort of gauge of interest.

There's a lot of arguing going back and forth but just replying to people who argue against isn't particularly "just to keep the post showing". I'm doing my best to consolidate my replies so as to not be "bumping". Little unfair to say it's mostly those in support keeping it alive. People could just ignore it. If anything shows "interest" it's the amount of likes on the first post , which you'd have to admit is more than your average "hay I want.. " thread.

It'd be quite complicated if the implementation is too specific. But it'd also won't really work if it's not specific.
Simply removing the glam to display the item underneath won't work since some people might actually wearing that item instead of glamouring it over other item. They might end up seeing a bunch of characters in their underwear. And if they make it so that removing a glam will display the character in AF gear, then that's additional data to be loaded and can affect performance.

Which is why it'd be nice if people would discuss the mechanics or specifics, but we've got a lot of replies that outright turn this into a morality problem, which is harder to discuss. We'll have 2 or 3 posts discussing an actual implementation and then a side track of like 30 arguing about calling someone a bigot or saying the thread is stupid. Also , one flag, client side, telling the client to instead of load one glamour to load another wouldn't be particularly processing power intensive and if it's basically loading ONLY one style for all WAR or BLK on the screen then it'd probably reduce processing.

I'm not reading through a 160+ page thread of a bunch of man children whining about wanting to turning off glam because they're triggered about men in dresses in a video game or some other dumb reason. "such sights are extremely uncommon". Not where I live! I went to go vote today and saw a guy in drag voting. I think people need to get out of their bubbles and experience life a bit more. You can't control everything and everyone around you.

and again.. this is a video game. Not real life. I experience PLENTY of real life. I have a job, I have social obligations and interactions. I have friends and relatives I see regularly in person. Daily I need to go outside and deal with people because they are everywhere and part of adulting to survive. I play video games partially to escape real life's rules and problems.

And the allure of an mmo to many people is BEING around other people and looking cool/silly/edgy, and being able to show that off is part of an mmo. If people get to just blacklist you cause they dont like it. That annoys me so sorry to them but quite frankly I don't really see the point in dressing up all sweet if it really doesnt matter. Sure not everyone would use the function but i still hate the idea of it. I make my character this is an mmo you have to deal with seeing it the way i made it. I do not support the idea of people blocking my characters glamour its suppose to say something about my character.

ALL of this is your personal take on what an MMO is and what should be part of it. So while I cannot argue your own personal perspective I can say from my side I don't feel you have any right to standardize or enforce your personal "expression" on my screen. You'll never know unless I say something, you are unaffected in your choices or gameplay, and at no point should I be forced to experience the game with you in particular.

On the surface I'd agree with the idea to give the option to hide others glamour, but then it comes down to the motivations behind using glamour to begin with. The entire idea is to make an outfit that not just you see, but other see as well. The whole joy of Glamour isn't just aesthetics but the ability to show off, and yes it can definitely break immersion.

Do you HAVE to be able to show off to people who don't want to see it? I understand that you enjoy how you're seen as well as how you personally see yourself, but if someone DOES NOT want to see what you've done, do you HAVE to still show them it?