Can we please delay Savage?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I only mentioned loot because it ties in with the weekly resets. But feel free to read more into my post than what I actually said.

I honestly don't want to read more into anything, I'm still just trying to grasp why you struggle that hard for a week 1 kill to find the argument to even go for it in your posts. If it's not for the loot, then the only thing you may get from a week 1 kill - if I understand it correctly - is a little prestige. You don't get an archivement, an special item or anything at all for your week 1 kill. And even that prestige in this community is nothing really to write home about, as there are still people faster and it isn't a world first kill or anything on the podium. So in the end, you are only doing it for yourself, rushing through the content and skipping through the story, propably exhausting yourself after a hard day of work just for the heck of it. For me, that doesn't sound like fun, but whatever. Maybe you think it's worth it, I don't know and I don't know why, but so far as I see it that's still your own burdon you're loading on your shoulders and no real reason for any delay at all. You have literally months to clear the content until the next one arrives, you can take all the time in the world for it - you just choose not to.

Personally while I don't mind a delay, I just don't see your point that much. We talked about it in our static too, before deciding just to wait two days so everyone can enjoy the story and prepare. But then again, I'm in a casual static with only two raiding evenings a week because of different work-schedules, so we don't care about a fast clear anyway.

What of value, exactly, are you afraid will be lost if Savage is delayed a week after patch hits?

And why would you want to hold back on content that is already ready for release? That's literally the first time I've heard that a part of the community asked to not release more content as soon as possible. Usually it's the other way around: If it's ready then what are you waiting for? Release it already so people can enjoy it. Why should anyone need to wait just because you have set yourself some exceedingly difficult tasks like a week 1 kill?

[Zabuza]

And why would you want to hold back on content that is already ready for release? That's literally the first time I've heard that a part of the community asked to not release more content as soon as possible. Usually it's the other way around: If it's ready then what are you waiting for? Release it already so people can enjoy it. Why should anyone need to wait just because you have set yourself some exceedingly difficult tasks like a week 1 kill?

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them. Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?

Some terrible logic on this thread. Can't plan ahead with a month+ warning...but can some how do it with in a week

How are we supposed to plan it when the recipes to craft the current 480 gear don't come out until launch day? How are we supposed to plan it in advance when SE doesn't even give us the date patch will drop until it is too late to request off at our actual jobs? Mid-February is not a date, it's an approximation. I've noticed my questions still haven't been answered.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them.

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?

Maybe it actually isn't ready by then and the devs are actually planning with those 2 weeks for designing the savage-content? I don't know.

[NanaWiloh]

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them. Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?



How are we supposed to plan it when the recipes to craft the current 480 gear don't come out until launch day? How are we supposed to plan it in advance when SE doesn't even give us the date patch will drop until it is too late to request off at our actual jobs? Mid-February is not a date, it's an approximation. I've noticed my questions still haven't been answered.

If you have set raid nights you arrange those nights too be free for two weeks with family and friends. Most people raid in the evening so thats what you would be freeing up. As for gear well thats going to roadblock you no matter you delay savage you delay the gear. Which means scambling on patch day to get any gear you need, its double a edge sword. Want to delay for story go for it but you will still have the gear roadblock to deal with.

[Satarn]

I support this idea as well. It is something that would benefit both the hardcore WF raiders and the more casual ones, which makes it that much more important to consider.

My own perspective:

I'm somebody who both greatly enjoys the savage prog and is really, really into lore. This patch specifically had lots of very hyped up story content(both msq and Eden, the trial also to a bit lesser degree), so I really wanted to start with those and take it slow, carefully watch all cutscenes, rewatch the dialogue options at the inn etc. I would however also like to raid with my friends who don't really share the same priorities.

We have some people who don't really care much about msq, to the degree of sometimes not even doing it until next patch, who would like to get into savage asap and it wouldn't be reasonable of me to ask them to wait if that's what they're the most excited for. On the other hand, we also have a friend who's into crafting and while it's nice that he can provide us with all the gear and stuff, he has to put a lot of time into preparations, delaying his ability to unlock savage(not to mention he also likes lore a lot so he's doubly screwed).

Another issue is that we're also the leadership crew of our FC, which has players on various levels of skill and experience and we'd like to help them out with getting through normal modes and perhaps the new Extreme trial, but we can't spare much time to do that if we also want to prog savage on week one.

All of these issues would be solved completely if savage was released a single week later than rest of the patch. Me and the crafter friend would be able to do all the story quests at a relaxed peace and he would also get entire week for crafting. We all could help out the more casual FC mates with things, maybe do some FC EX runs. Then next week we could all go and tackle savage together, without anyone having to stress over things.

Now for downsides I can only see two. One is obviously people who only care for savage having to wait longer, while the rest of the content doesn't really interest them. Second is that we'd be up to 900 tomes ahead gearing-wise(normal raid gear doesn't matter since it's same ilvl as crafted), but I don't think it's that much of an advantage tbh, as it's just one big piece of gear(chest/pants) or 2 weaker ones. If SE deemed it to be a big issue, they could also lock new tomestone purchases until 3rd week, while still allowing us to collect them - of course this isn't exactly an ideal solution, but I don't think it'd be too bad.

[Payadopa]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

[Satarn]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

This just in: SE changes release times of raid content - non-raiders most affected!

[Bright-Flower]

As someone who enjoys the story, if I were still a raider like I was back in my WoW days, I would 100% appreciate this. Being able to have a week to do the story before jumping into the savage stuff day 1, having to rush through normal mode story. That said I can also see why people who raid savage but do NOT care for the story would want to just jump in right away.

Personally I'd rather lean toward the former, but can see the argument against it too. But as WoW burnt me out on raiding and I have no desire to get into Savage in FFXIV, I don't really have a dog in that race.

[SDaemon]

Yeah, let's cater even more to raiders.

Considering how casual heavy the game is, that isnt asking for much.

[Aurelius2625]

There's a few trolls that are sour and bitter here that are against it. If you're against this, then you're just trolling, or bitter for no reason. There's literally positively absolutely no reason in delaying savage for a week.

You can delay tomes being dropped and awarded for a week and put it in a little hotfix or minipatch for content, you'd just get the older tomes in the meantime, which would still be valuable to farm as they are needed for tome mats to make stuff, so people would still have a reason to run the content as is.

The normal mode drops could stay as they are, there's no issue and you'd just have two pieces of 480 or what have you... you'd still be behind if you didn't have crafted and you'd have to spam normal modes week 2, the first week of savage, to even have that. It'd be for the benefit of crafters to make pots and food and gear. There's literally no reason NOT to do this. It gives smaller statics without DEDICATED crafters the chance to prepare.

Again, you're just a troll or a bitter angry old man/woman if you're against this. No reason not to.