It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Wavaryen]

Yes, there is a lot of insecurity in the world. That is also common sense. Most people are insecure about something or other. This is one form of it, whether you want to accept it or not.

Well have fun telling most women they are insecure.



This has to be a anime nerdy thing right? The cool edge person who does not care about people around him type deal? It sounds kinda weird to be honest. Hell even the goths I use to hang out with growing up, cared about fashion and made a statement with it.



I hate to tell you all this but, if you dress up just for yourself in a social game. That is more weird on yall. I can see it in single player games and such..but a MMO? ehhhh or even if you go out in public. That is weird. <.<

[MPK]

I agree 100% atleast let us block glamour from blacklisted users.

[Packetdancer]

Sure people conveniently ignore things that break their proposed rules, but you have to admit while things like wearing a white frilly gown are pretty non-combat oriented, wearing a rudolph nose and bikini (or other wildly incongruous outfit) just doesn't happen in the story. There's "that looks like a bad choice of gear in a fight" and then theres "why is there a joke outfit?".

Allow me to list a few of the canon, SquareEnix-created Squadron Recruit NPCs who may show up for your Grand Company squadron:

• Seserikku, a lalafell who shows up dressed in a snowman costume.
• Crilde, an elezen who shows up dressed as a reindeer.
• Raelthota, an elezen who shows up wearing basically underwear, greaves with weird hoof-like feet, and a half-mask over the lower half of her face.

Is it not an issue rooted in insecurity? Why would you need to seek the approval of others if you were happy with yourself? Needing this approval from others would imply that such a person needs additional affirmation from others to bolster their opinion in themselves, as if they are uncertain of the value of their existence. That seems like insecurity to me.

If the only possible reason I could have any opinion about the idea of someone having a button to potentially put me into underwear in their cutscenes is insecurity, then the only possible reason you could have to want not to see other people's glamoured outfits is some equally reductive and oversimplified motive, such as "you are filled with bigoted rage at the very idea of a masculine character wearing a wedding gown somewhere in the game".

I mean, there's about the same degree of accuracy to both those things. And if it seems unreasonable to reduce all arguments for the feature to the latter motive, please recognize it's equally unreasonable to do the same to all possible motives to be exasperated by a 'remove glamour' button you can use on others.

When women end up objectified in day-to-day life and treated to comments like "you'd be prettier if you just smiled" or "you know, you'd look so much nicer in a skirt" (or alternatively, "damn, those pants are tight" as someone stares at your ass), is it so hard to believe that it would inspire a bit of "urgh, really?" when someone insists they should be given the right to strip off my avatar's virtual clothing in game as well? Especially when like 60% of all female healer leg gear is effectively just underwear?

If you run into a tank who's leveling and wearing Shisui gear because it's got the best stats for them but who's glammed themselves back into plate because that's what feels 'right' for them as a tank (i.e., me when I was leveling DRK), that's not necessarily insecurity; I'll wear relatively revealing clothing for DNC, because it feels thematically appropriate to me for that job where it doesn't for my tank. But even if there's no technical difference between "your DNC is wearing their artifact gear, which shows a lot of skin" and "I stripped away your DRK glam to put you back in the Shisui bikini", it still feels different.

If someone is staring at you iRL and picturing you naked, even if it does not physically do anything to you—and even if you are the most confident person in the world—it can feel uncomfortable to be reduced to an object like that. (Or at the very least, emotionally exhausting.) So is it completely impossible to understand that adding a button that basically could be pressed to potentially remove someone's clothing in game—regardless of the intended purpose—might make some folks feel, maybe not personally violated, but at least a little more exhausted?

Why on earth would it be so terrible to just do the blanket switch proposed earlier? Where basically, if you toggle it on, it turns off glamours and everyone in the game is put in the iconic gear for their current job? Dragoons wear the Azure Dragoon-style armor. White mages wear the cleric robes. Paladins wear plate. Etc. If the argument for this feature is 'immersion', I literally cannot see how that harms someone's immersion; it seems like it would be better for that mindset than just removing glamours. After all, just removing glamours entirely might put someone in not just Rainbow Pimp Gear, but Pants-Free Rainbow Pimp Gear.

And how on earth is that "immersive"?

#PantsAreThematic #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #TheHashtagsWillContinueUntilMoraleImproves #OrThisThreadEnds #WhichAreProbablyTheSameThing

[Wavaryen]

Allow me to list a few of the canon, SquareEnix-created Squadron Recruit NPCs who may show up for your Grand Company squadron:

• Seserikku, a lalafell who shows up dressed in a snowman costume.
• Crilde, an elezen who shows up dressed as a reindeer.
• Raelthota, an elezen who shows up wearing basically underwear, greaves with weird hoof-like feet, and a half-mask over the lower half of her face.

You put this stuff in better words than I could. The immersion reason is just weird in the context of the game lore.

[Joven]

To remain clear, I still find this idea to not only be bad, but unethical.

There's nothing unethical about it. Nobody is being harassed ot belittled by someone using this feature. It's not denying anyone their ability to live how they want. This is a video game, not a human rights movement.

[Wavaryen]

There's nothing unethical about it. Nobody is being harassed ot belittled by someone using this feature. It's not denying anyone their ability to live how they want. This is a video game, not a human rights movement.

While I would not go with unethical..well maybe if they explain it better why they see it like that. A bad idea is still a bad idea. More reasons not to do it than to do it. Being it is a social game after all.

[Theodric]

You put this stuff in better words than I could. The immersion reason is just weird in the context of the game lore.

It's not weird. The game deliberately gives players the tools to avoid the weirder/sillier stuff. Hildibrand exists in his own little bubble, for instance. You can also dismiss the sillier squadron members outright and/or tweak their glamour to one's personal tastes. We're not asking to alter what players see on their screen. Just how they appear on our own. Which is already something we can tweak in various ways already.

While I would not go with unethical..well maybe if they explain it better why they see it like that. A bad idea is still a bad idea. More reasons not to do it than to do it. Being it is a social game after all.

It's not necessarily a social game. Please don't compel a play-style!

[Wavaryen]

It's not weird. The game deliberately gives players the tools to avoid the weirder/sillier stuff. Hildibrand exists in his own little bubble, for instance. You can also dismiss the sillier squadron members outright and/or tweak their glamour to one's personal tastes. We're not asking to alter what players see on their screen. Just how they appear on our own. Which is already something we can tweak in various ways already.



It's not necessarily a social game. Please don't compel a play-style!

What? Just because you can be anti social in a MMO does not change what a MMO is. MMO is social thing, you can pick to be apart of it or not. That is your choice, but does not change what the game is.


Also, you can't use immersion as your reason for this option, and ignore the npcs, and story elements that have silly outfits in it. That is blind bias.

[Theodric]

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Out of curiosity, are you posting on your main character?

[Joven]

While I would not go with unethical..well maybe if they explain it better why they see it like that. A bad idea is still a bad idea. More reasons not to do it than to do it. Being it is a social game after all.

I haven't seen anyone explain why this is a bad idea any better than "because I don't like it".