It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Theodric]

Hildebrand? Squadrons? I don't do either of those, they are not mandatory. They are not MSQ or dungeons.

In regards to Squadrons, it's worth noting you also get the ability to choose who joins you and who is dismissed. You can also alter their glamout in any way you so wish. Much in the same way as you can control what your retainers look and dress like.

[Jadedsins]

Hildebrand? Squadrons? I don't do either of those, they are not mandatory. They are not MSQ or dungeons.

Why does that matter that you don't do it? That means you don't understand the world little frog. Hop out of that well.


You can't claim immersion, and not get a full picture of the world and story of the game!

[SturmChurro]

Why does that matter that you don't do it? That means you don't understand the world little frog. Hop out of that well.

[Zabuza]

Why does that matter that you don't do it? That means you don't understand the world little frog. Hop out of that well.


You can't claim immersion, and not get a full picture of the world and story of the game!

Neither of these are the main overarching story. They never appealed to me. Luckily, in this case, SE gives me the option to not do it. The MSQ, however, does appeal to me. I'm glad you're now trying to decide my immersion for me as well. By that right, you could say anyone who hasn't done every single side quest can't claim immersion. Ridiculous.

So how can you pick immersion as your reason, when the world is bigger than what you pick to do? You can't make the immersion claim while ignore the rest of the world and story elements of it because you don't care about it.

See above.

[Theodric]

You can't claim immersion, and not get a full picture of the world and story of the game!

Side activities are side activities. They're completely optional and most people generally don't play the game purely because of Squadrons or Hildibrand. The development team are also acutely aware that Hildibrand style humour is not everybody's cup of tea which is why such things are hidden away in side quests/side activities and not forced on the player. We're also given dialogue options to be dismissive when we do encounter such things.

[Bright-Flower]

Hildebrand? Squadrons? I don't do either of those, they are not mandatory. They are not MSQ or dungeons.

But they are a part of the world and setting even if you don't do them. Even if you recruit a squadron member with a goofy outfit and glam over it, that doesn't change the fact they were out in the world with said goofy glam in the first place. The point is that this isn't a realistic or grounded world like game of thrones or even lord of the rings. Not engaging with parts of the game's lore and story doesn't mean it isn't there and a part of it.

[Krotoan]

It is not the matter of the choice you are giving. From a lore and immersion standard. We got people who dress up like that in the game, You can't use immersion, if people have story elements of the goofy wacky mascot outfits in said game. So the outfits being immersion breaking is false based off story elements of the game itself.

What other reasons do you have for having this option. As Immersion is not one of them.

Except they're not actually part of the story anymore than any other side feature available to the player.

The point here is that there are, canonically, people that choose to fight in goofy outfits in the setting. It's an argument against the 'goofy glams break immersion/make no sense in setting' point.

I have no precedent saying anyone ACTUALLY goes out and fights effectively in those outfits or that they are actually part of the story as squadrons are as much side content as crafting and/or the manderville lines. kept separate for those who wish to engage.

I don't think it's vindictive, I see it as more of giving everyone the option. I can make sense of it.. clearly there's people here who don't want to be blocked. Whats wrong with giving them a way to counter the block? We're not talking about them being toxic and the use of a blacklist. We're talking about costumes which can't be as bad as someone cursing you out. So comparing it to the blacklist was always silly. But anyway, a flag or an ingame text letting the other person know they are being blocked and giving them an option to leave or whatever. I just say give everyone the choice, if people want to block it why hide? That way everyone no matter where you stand has a choice.

What "counter" reason would you have beyond "revenge"? First of all lots of the people who hate this idea mainly hate it because they don't like the idea someone could be not seeing them as they displayed. you solidify that fact and give them a target and you are pretty much inspiring retaliation. Now if you truly do not wish to party/adventure with those people I would accept a "auto blacklist" everyone who has it enabled so they never end up in your parties so you wouldn't be subjected to what you might consider targeted censoring. If you don't wish to interact with them fine, but painting targets on them is very vindictive.

So I can easily see how you could come to that irony, and if it were the case for me I would grant it. No, I want to know who is muting players expression so I can choose to do what they should have done themselves and walk away. I don't want to game with them, just like they shouldn't have to game with people who have caused them so much deep distress by existing.

I still don't think that a style expression erasure button is the answer. Unless you need some dance music, in that case Erasure is a pretty good answer!

And in my above answer I've provided an option that doesn't involve painting targets on people. The chance for people to be jerks about it is still admittedly there say if you try to talk to someone and find they don't respond you might know they're using the option, but it wouldn't be readily apparent for people to target and you would never end up in a party with someone. Even better if it simply made them disappear from YOUR world.

[Jadedsins]

Neither of these are the main overarching story. They never appealed to me. Luckily, in this case, SE gives me the option to not do it. The MSQ, however, does appeal to me. I'm glad you're now trying to decide my immersion for me as well.

So how can you pick immersion as your reason, when the world is bigger than what you pick to do? You can't make the immersion claim while ignore the rest of the world and story elements of it because you don't care about it.



You want to look at the game through that bubble that is on you, but the game has more than just the main story that YOU pick to ignore. Just because you ignored said elements does not mean that it is not in the game.



How can you make the immersion claim, when you don't immersive yourself in all of the story it has to offer. Immersion is to take part of the world even outside of things you are force to do. To understand, and be part of it. You playing one part of the game, and expect the rules to stay with said one part of the game.

[Theodric]

Why are people ignoring the fact that players can literally filter out the characters that they do not wish to see/interact with? It's not supporting their argument at all - if anything, it's reinforcing the idea that there should be more filters in place.

[Packetdancer]

I..what...huh? Someone gave you plenty of listing, and heck story events have been outlandish. Also, Silly elements has been part of Final Fantasy History! Are we playing the same game? 0_0

To be fair to Zabuza, he said "mandatory". And I don't think there's any point in the MSQ where you're forced to fight alongside an NPC dressed like that; all the instances I can think of off the top of my head are in optional content:

• The 'Tall Fuath' who appears during one of the pixie Beast Tribe quests (as well as during one of the side-quest chains).
• Various potential members of the NPC squadron, as listed before.
• Adkiragh, who is one of the Custom Delivery NPCs.

If you don't unlock Adkiragh and ignore him while doing deliveries to Zhloe—or just don't do custom deliveries at all—you don't ever have to see him. If you don't bother ranking up reputation with the pixies and skip all the side-quest chains in Il Mheg, you don't have to deal with Tall Fuath. And if you decline to recruit the more oddly-dressed squadron members—or grit your teeth until you've leveled them to the point that you can change their outfits—you don't have to deal with them.

So, I'd say it's wholly fair to say that none of those NPCs are mandatory; you can choose to skip all those bits of content.

However, when people try to say that sort of stuff is unthematic, I will absolutely point to those as examples of ridiculous outfits in gameplay. And whether or not I personally dislike seeing a giant snowman in the middle of a serious cutscene—and despite my personal position against this feature, I don't wholly care for that experience either—I think that trying to argue that it breaks immersion specifically because it violates the theme is stretching things a bit; SquareEnix themselves do introduce the same exact ridiculous-outfit element to canon content.

Whether or not you think it's appropriate in a specific circumstance, people wearing such things is unquestionably thematic.

Edit: Holy potatoes, I took maybe 10 minutes to write this post up between doing other things and you all added two new pages to the thread in that time. And I thought *I* was talky. I'm kind of impressed. I may just surrender to the inevitable velocity this thread achieves and give up on trying to follow it—or at least on writing replies that aren't separated from what they're replying to by an excessive number of posts—as we draw closer and closer to the text equivalent of the speed of light...