It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Reinha]

Why stop at glamours? Maybe we could have an option to turn all Lalafells to either Viera or Hrothgar, client side.

[Tranquilmelody7]

Punishment in the sense that if they wanted to get rid of something they didn't want, they'd have to remove their own options on their OWN computer for customization.

It would be as simple as a checkbox in a control panel that says "hide other players customizations" or "Enable placeholder avatars for other players" that tells the client to load generic avatars for all characters that aren't NPC's or the player.

Whenever the game client loads someones appearance it's loading maybe 3 tags per piece of gear and maybe 10-20 about the character itself (I don't have access to go look up the actual number of character customizations atm). Making it so the client instead loads a default appearance based on : Race, gender, job, level threshold would be very simple.

Why would you even bother to say anything beyond "Gimme a sec" if you had to do something like that? Why would you indirectly insult someone with that information? Most players understand you don't say things like "Hold on gonna mute the idiot" when you don't like what someone is saying.




OK.. maybe randomized skin tone? I honestly did not consider that.

To clarify, I think it's fine for the player to see their own their own customization if they had glamours disabled.
No 45 day lockout either,
I kinda skimmed over the post I quoted, please excuse me.

I stand by what I said regarding all or nothing for everyone else though.
Selectively hiding avatars would indirectly promote intolerance and discrimination and I really don't think Yoshi P would care to foster that kind of community.

Regarding the latter, I certainly wouldn't declare such a thing, and I likely am not friends with anyone that would.
Someone would inevitably do so just to be rude, and such discourteous jabs most likely slide on their own.

[Krotoan]

To clarify, I think it's fine for the player to see their own their own customization if they had glamours disabled.
No 45 day lockout either,
I kinda skimmed over the post I quoted, please excuse me.

I stand by what I said regarding all or nothing for everyone else though.
Selectively hiding avatars would indirectly promote intolerance and discrimination and I really don't think Yoshi P would care to foster that kind of community.

That I could stand behind. Either all other characters or no other characters was kind of an assumption I made about the option anyway. Blocking individuals would require some sort of list and individual clicking on and off and add one more data flag per user for the servers to keep track of.

Regarding the latter, I certainly wouldn't declare such a thing, and I likely am not friends with anyone that would.
Someone would inevitably do so just to be rude, and such discourteous jabs most likely slide on their own.

I wasn't particularly suggesting you would.. but rude people are rude no matter what features they're using. So while yes that may eventually get said, you can't restrict an idea just because jerks exist.

[Packetdancer]

Why would you even bother to say anything beyond "Gimme a sec" if you had to do something like that? Why would you indirectly insult someone with that information? Most players understand you don't say things like "Hold on gonna mute the idiot" when you don't like what someone is saying.

I mean... you'd think, yeah, but the quantity of "the mentor system is broken because mentors are rude and toxic in chat" or "raiders are rude and toxic in chat" or "people who use parsers are rude and toxic in chat" threads on this very forum suggests that this sort of common decency—and common sense—is not universal; someone would inevitably say something rude and toxic about removing glam.

[F_Maximillian]

I mean... you'd think, yeah, but the quantity of "the mentor system is broken because mentors are rude and toxic in chat" or "raiders are rude and toxic in chat" or "people who use parsers are rude and toxic in chat" threads on this very forum suggests that this sort of common decency—and common sense—is not universal; someone would inevitably say something rude and toxic about removing glam.

I truly don't understand being against something because someone out there might possibly utilize it in a negative way. You deal with those cases individually, you don't deny the entirety of something because of a potential outlier..

[Alleo]

Play Music in game is just slider from 0 to 100 ( it's logical to tune up or down volume, because everyone on pc or ps4/tv has different ) Your point is silly

But all these bards playing music where somebody can hear them are not heard at all if I click on the toggle thus they cant seemingly express themselves..or what big difference is between someone taking their time (or not) to create a beautiful piece of music and those that create glamours? Why is it completely fine to be able to mute these people yet when someone wants to have an option for their screen to change glamour its compared to a horrible time in human history? I mean people can just not listen to the music right?

How about this: No means no. Plenty of people here have already expressed why they're not comfortable with having their character's appearance altered. If someone is not comfortable with the idea of something that involves them, they should have a say in it, and they shouldn't even have to justify why to you. The fact when someone says "no, I'm uncomfortable for x reason (or no reason at all)" and your first response is to not respect their feelings and instead try to justify why you should be able to do x thing, you are the problem. I'm sure we all learned about this simple phrase a long time ago.

And since when does a no mean that others cant just discuss it? What about all those that feel uncomfortable if certain people are wearing certain clothes? Suddenly those have to accept it too..I mean if we open up to that then SE would never be able to introduce any kind of new item or content into the game because certain people will always be against it. In the end this is simply a discussion..a discussion where people that are for it are called names or are told that this is like segregation of real people..

[Packetdancer]

I truly don't understand being against something because someone out there might possibly utilize it in a negative way. You deal with those cases individually, you don't deny the entirety of something because of a potential outlier..

I mean, I'm inclined to agree with you? I also think that we tend to over-emphasize the bad experiences on this forum rather than focusing on the good; I don't even think that it would be the bulk of the interactions with a feature like this. (Even if I personally am admittedly not super keen on the idea of this feature, as noted before.)

But I do think that swinging the other way and saying no one would be rude about it isn't really true either, and I suspect that even if they were not the majority, the instances where it did happen would be called out here on those forums at length (and high volume) and gnawed on like a hyena with a bone—just as seems to happen any time someone encounters a mentor they feel is toxic, or a raider, or an ACT user, or whatever else. So the issue would sound a lot more prevalent and overwhelming than it would probably actually be.

(On the other hand, I think probably the issue about "other players are wearing glams I find ruin my experience" is itself being amplified and overblown in a similar way to all those other issues just listed...)

[F_Maximillian]

I mean, I'm inclined to agree with you? I also think that we tend to over-emphasize the bad experiences on this forum rather than focusing on the good; I don't even think that it would be the bulk of the interactions with a feature like this.

But I do think that swinging the other way and saying no one would be rude about it isn't really true either, and I suspect that even if they were not the majority, the instances where it did happen would be called out here on those forums at length (and high volume) and gnawed on like a hyena with a bone—just as seems to happen any time someone encounters a mentor they feel is toxic, or a raider, or an ACT user, or whatever else.

I know I quoted you in particular but it was more a response to this thread in general.

Realistically speaking I don't think anyone really truly believes that no one will be rude about it but I feel like a lot of people in this topic vastly overestimate the amount of people that would and that's why a lot of them are against it too. There's no population that's 100% free of people who do or say bad things. I also don't think that the feature would be put in-game with the GMs allowing people to use it as a weapon against others considering you can be reported for just about anything nowadays. I think that it'll be far closer to a might possibly than a probably because even if they turned off someone's glamour for a negative reason it's enough for them to turn it off and not risk their accounts by saying anything about it. So even if it is used for negative reasons by a given player in question it still most likely won't come back to the person it's being used against so it's functionally no different than if someone is using it because they just want to preserve immersion or whatever other reasons they may have. It's in the same line as people not stealing because they want to but don't want to go to jail versus them not stealing because they truly don't believe in doing such a thing, in the end the result is the same in that they aren't stealing.

(On the other hand, I think probably the issue about "other players are wearing glams I find ruin my experience" is itself being amplified and overblown in a similar way to all those other issues just listed...)

I agree that it's overblown as well but having the option allows some people to be happy without impacting someone else's experience (even if we find their reasons to be weaker) isn't a bad thing.

[Ammokkx]

how is this thread still going

[Honey_Tailtwitcher]

I would Love this option, I actually made a little happy noise when I read the post, it would help with game immersion - thank you! ♥ (edit: this would GREATLY help people who have porn addictions to avoid triggers, told a friend who suffers from this & he was elated to hear it, so passing that one) ♥