It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Tranquilmelody7]

Y'all are a riot. I been "bikini"-glam for 5 years.

But you know what, I'm fine with an option that turns ALL GLAMOURS OFF if that's what ppl want.

However, being able to selectively "target" ppl that you don't approve of and change only their appearance to something that suits your tastes is a bit too dystopian for me.

All or nothing, no glams for them, no glams for you. It can be a menu option. And if I had my druthers, if you opt-in to turn the option on then you can't elect to switch it off again for a long period of time... say 45 days.

I could concede to this.
Only all or nothing seems fair and not discriminate.

[Batbrat]

Hello there, have been playing MMO's for maybe about 12 years now!

Hiding peoples glams is not a supportable idea at all.
If you do not like looking at other people in video games, I think what you are better suited for is called solo gaming!
When it is a "MMORPG" this means that you will see other players! This idea sounds like that a thing which you do not like.
Therefore, I think this is a situation of perhaps mistaken genre.
In 12 years of playing MMO's not one has ever had this option and it is best to stay that way.
Even if "well they cannot SEE that I turned them into NPCS!", it is still a bad idea.
If you can disable their costumes, you are disabling a part of their personalities and this will make it much easier to not understand them and then probably react to things a little harsher than you would if you knew they were in a frog suit, actually.

MMORPG's are entirely about socializing and if everyone must fit your world then I think you may not be ready to socialize yet.
Also!

Why are you looking at what your tank is wearing during a fight?
I think you should focus on the fight and work together to clear instead of zooming the camera in on your teammates.
If you have time to zoom before the fight, you also have time to say hello to everyone and explain to any first timers should they say that they're nervous, instead.

[AsukaAsakura]

It seems like this is another thing about intention. It looks like this is deferring loading the characters appearances and just loading a standard model which gets replaced as things are loaded in, with a toggle that lets you defer until you start a mission?

That's not really a censor, it's a feature to make the game load faster.

Hiding glamours isn't really a censor either. Its a simple option they should allow. A censor would be banning the use of the glamour all together. Not affecting how one single person sees you.

[Sairys]

Hiding glamours isn't really a censor either. Its a simple option they should allow. A censor would be banning the use of the glamour all together. Not affecting how one single person sees you.

Censoring isn't an all or nothing thing, the feature requested is a personal level censor.
It's not a feature to help the game load faster or make PvP easier, it a feature individuals can use to suppress the appearances of others so they don't have to actually be tolerant of the targets personal choices .

[AsukaAsakura]

Censoring isn't an all or nothing thing, the feature requested is a personal level censor.
It's not a feature to help the game load faster or make PvP easier, it a feature individuals can use to suppress the appearances of others so they don't have to actually be tolerant of the targets personal choices .

One could argue the game would load faster. If everyone is wearing the exact same thing on your side, it wont have to load each asset when you load in. So your argument isn't factual. And I mean, its more oppressive to remove someones right to choice in the content in their game. It hurts NO ONE to allow someone to hide someone else's glamour. It only has benefits for the ones who don't want to see something. Regardless of the reason.

[Tranquilmelody7]

Censoring isn't an all or nothing thing, the feature requested is a personal level censor.
It's not a feature to help the game load faster or make PvP easier, it a feature individuals can use to suppress the appearances of others so they don't have to actually be tolerant of the targets personal choices .

This. Perfectly said.

[Liyonn]

It only has benefits for the ones who don't want to see something.

I fail to see how there's any benefit at all...

"My immersion" or whatever is already impossible to achieve. "It hurts my eyes" is a lie and you know it. "It's obnoxious" is bigotry in disguise. There's no benefit that makes sense to me other than "I just want it, okay?" and that seems petty to request valuable development time for. SE has only so many hours in a day to do this stuff, ya know. Such a feature might cost us something else.

Literally the entire argument is "It doesn't hurt other people, so why not" when, it kinda does though. I want to be seen a certain way by other players, and being denied that can affect me as well. If I want to express myself as a fat-chocobo-hat-wearing naked femroe then by golly that's how people will see me if I have anything to say about it. You create a doubt in peoples minds when just maybe they see me as something I'm not. I don't want to be uncertain of how people see me as. That's why a lot of people don't like mods and modded gear.

Also.... won't it just be everyone walking around in miss-matched armor? Like these people don't realize that most gear-sets clash and don't look good at all if in mixed sets. So you'll be stuck in a world of awful fashion, not perfect harmony. Not to mention the issue of dyes too. Like glamoured gear is dyed but when you unglamour it the dye doesn't carry over. So how will the new de-glamoured gear look?

The post-hidden-glam world would be fashion anarchy, even more so than it is now.

[Krotoan]

I could concede to this.
Only all or nothing seems fair and not discriminate.

Explain why this is OK and every other option is not. Simply because it "punishes" the user?

I fail to see how there's any benefit at all...

removal of glams the user finds either are jarring or distasteful or incongruous to their personal story. Removal of excuses that gear cannot cross job glamour because of "recognizable themes" since people could use the option to "standardize" the class glamour if they were having trouble identifying people by gear.

"My immersion" or whatever is already impossible to achieve. "It hurts my eyes" is a lie and you know it. "It's obnoxious" is bigotry in disguise. There's no benefit that makes sense to me other than "I just want it, okay?" and that seems petty to request valuable development time for. SE has only so many hours in a day to do this stuff, ya know. Such a feature might cost us something else.

It might, but what did we lose for "parasols" and "eating at the table"? I'm unlikely to use either feature but it's nice that they're out there for people to use.

Literally the entire argument is "It doesn't hurt other people, so why not" when, it kinda does though. I want to be seen a certain way by other players, and being denied that can affect me as well. If I want to express myself as a fat-chocobo-hat-wearing naked femroe then by golly that's how people will see me if I have anything to say about it. You create a doubt in peoples minds when just maybe they see me as something I'm not. I don't want to be uncertain of how people see me as. That's why a lot of people don't like mods and modded gear.

There should already be doubt since you have no control currently over what people do on their own computers with mods. The main counter argument I see is "but people could possibly.." which has already happened. At least with a "standardized" replacement you would know it wasn't particularly lewd or patronizing.

Also.... won't it just be everyone walking around in miss-matched armor? Like these people don't realize that most gear-sets clash and don't look good at all if in mixed sets. So you'll be stuck in a world of awful fashion, not perfect harmony. Not to mention the issue of dyes too. Like glamoured gear is dyed but when you unglamour it the dye doesn't carry over. So how will the new de-glamoured gear look?

The post-hidden-glam world would be fashion anarchy, even more so than it is now.

If the option was enabled i would personally suggest default AF to make classes recognizable or even entire character replacements with generic gear so as to appease the people who don't want to have their characters represented at all rather than have them dressed in something they didn't pick.

Hello there, have been playing MMO's for maybe about 12 years now!

Hiding peoples glams is not a supportable idea at all.
If you do not like looking at other people in video games, I think what you are better suited for is called solo gaming!
When it is a "MMORPG" this means that you will see other players! This idea sounds like that a thing which you do not like.
Therefore, I think this is a situation of perhaps mistaken genre.
In 12 years of playing MMO's not one has ever had this option and it is best to stay that way.
Even if "well they cannot SEE that I turned them into NPCS!", it is still a bad idea.
If you can disable their costumes, you are disabling a part of their personalities and this will make it much easier to not understand them and then probably react to things a little harsher than you would if you knew they were in a frog suit, actually.

MMORPG's are entirely about socializing and if everyone must fit your world then I think you may not be ready to socialize yet.
Also!

Why are you looking at what your tank is wearing during a fight?
I think you should focus on the fight and work together to clear instead of zooming the camera in on your teammates.
If you have time to zoom before the fight, you also have time to say hello to everyone and explain to any first timers should they say that they're nervous, instead.

So because we don't want to play the game the way you think it's played, we're wrong.

[AriaFairchild]

Censoring isn't an all or nothing thing, the feature requested is a personal level censor.
It's not a feature to help the game load faster or make PvP easier, it a feature individuals can use to suppress the appearances of others so they don't have to actually be tolerant of the targets personal choices .

And people have to be tolerant of your choices because you paid their subs? We are policing thoughts now?

[Lufir]

Hello there, have been playing MMO's for maybe about 12 years now!

Hiding peoples glams is not a supportable idea at all.
If you do not like looking at other people in video games, I think what you are better suited for is called solo gaming!
When it is a "MMORPG" this means that you will see other players! This idea sounds like that a thing which you do not like.
Therefore, I think this is a situation of perhaps mistaken genre.
In 12 years of playing MMO's not one has ever had this option and it is best to stay that way.
Even if "well they cannot SEE that I turned them into NPCS!", it is still a bad idea.
If you can disable their costumes, you are disabling a part of their personalities and this will make it much easier to not understand them and then probably react to things a little harsher than you would if you knew they were in a frog suit, actually.

MMORPG's are entirely about socializing and if everyone must fit your world then I think you may not be ready to socialize yet.
Also!

Why are you looking at what your tank is wearing during a fight?
I think you should focus on the fight and work together to clear instead of zooming the camera in on your teammates.
If you have time to zoom before the fight, you also have time to say hello to everyone and explain to any first timers should they say that they're nervous, instead.

Question, do you support the option of blacklisting players in an MMORPG?