It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

The OP and others have made it clear their support of this feature is because they find things such as men in dresses objectionable and want dev time spent on this because of that.

Some arguing for might actually not agree with that but it is part of the arguments being presented in favour of the change and even the appearance that it could be supporting intolerance is something SE would need to consider.

A consideration for sure. I don't want to appear to support bigotry or intolerance of course. People should be allowed to express and be themselves at all times within reason.

However while you may not find their reasoning acceptable, the fact that they "find men in dresses objectionable" is a personal preference and while not shared should at least be tolerated so much as it doesn't affect anyone else if they choose not to view it. There's a line between saying "I'd like the choice not to see this" and "I don't want you to have the option to do this". I don't support their point of views, but I cannot fault them for having preferences.

[Joven]

Is that supposed to be a logic trap? The situation isn't even equivalent. I've dressed how I want. That is within my control. What people think of it is beyond my control (but is very unlikely to be that it's too revealing, unless they're applying Victorian-era dress code rules or something). If they're "judging me" rather than simply seeing me as an unremarkable person, I can't do anything about it - but at least I'm being judged on my own choice.

In-game, I've dressed my character how I want. That is also within my control. What people think of it is also beyond my control (and also unlikely to be that it's too revealing), but they're still seeing what I chose to wear.

This theoretical system isn't the equivalent of someone looking at me and judging me on my outfit. It's the equivalent of them having augmented-reality glasses that replace everyone's clothes with something more "acceptable" to them - which sounds like a step towards some kind of dystopia. Obviously a video game isn't quite the same thing, but that's the analogy you've set up, and the thought is a very unpleasant one.

I'm not trying to be disruptive. I'm wearing things that are job-appropriate, while keeping within my personal taste. I don't want it replaced with something else beyond my control.

I didn't see this reply until now so forgive my late response.

The idea isn't that they are judging you based on your attire, it's to show that not everyone sees your attire the way you want them to because of their own perceptions. That you're still being seen in a way you don't choose. How is what someone sees in thier head any different than what someone else sees on their screen?

[Doozer]

When I see a glamour I don't like, at most I'll scoff and make a point of not looking at them for the rest of the time they're nearby. Kinda bizarre that some people out there don't have that skill. Maybe it's genetic.

[Penthea]

If it has no bearing on you, then what kind of mental gymnastics did you do to link "turning off glamours client-side" to "exacerbating players dehumanizing one another"?

The part where Sebazy does not like the idea of having an option that makes player characters more like npcs. They already explained that they think this promotes allowing people to be intolerant of one another.

What I do care about is that this sort of thing further encourages people to be unwilling or even unable to accept others with differing views, appearances or whatever. It's another thing that promotes intolerance, something that no healthy MMO community needs nor wants.

I agree with this sentiment. Part of the point of mmos is that they are alive with a variety of players who are all different to each other and make different choices. By introducing a way to remove seeing glams from other players you are allowing people to shut themselves off from part of what it means to be in a mmo. You make players closer to being npcs if you remove their control as to how they want to be seen by others. This goes against the spirit of what a mmo is.

It also would open a can of worms. If SE allows OP's suggestion to come to the game, then others would feel permitted to ask for more ways to block other things from their view. Like certain hairstyles, races, genders, minions, mounts, housing skins...there is a very long list of things players could potentially have a strong distaste for. Give people an inch, they will then demand a mile.

What OP wants is actually venturing into mod territory in a way, because they want to modify how other people look. It could never be entirely client side due to how people can upload screenshots and stream to a public domain. Anything on a public domain is no longer completely client side given others can see it. Just like how people say parsers are only client side, but the results of those parses no longer are the moment they are uploaded to fflogs, which is a public domain.

[Iscah]

I didn't see this reply until now so forgive my late response.

The idea isn't that they are judging you based on your attire, it's to show that not everyone sees your attire the way you want them to because of their own perceptions. That you're still being seen in a way you don't choose. How is what someone sees in thier head any different than what someone else sees on their screen?

I'm physically being seen how I want to look. That doesn't change regardless of what people think of me when they see me.

What you're talking about is people's opinion of how I look, which is something entirely different. I can't control their opinion, and I'm not trying to.

(Edit to add: I do, of course, have control over the likely opinion they will have of me by choosing to dress in a certain way.)

This topic is all about people saying their opinion of how a character looks means they should be able to change how a character looks.

[Kohl]

Seriously, the bottom line is that no one gets to decide how I choose my character to look within the paradigm of the game. I get to decide that. Even if it is only on your screen. If someone was using a mod to that made my character look nude, I would report them. I am not ok with it.
I am not going to chase after someone who isn't mature enough to handle something that makes them uncomfortable. If I was actively and knowingly doing something to make someone uncomfortable, that would be different. But no one gets to make my choices, whether or not it is only on their screen is irrelevant. Don't like me? Walk away, I will respect that.

[Tranquilmelody7]

I don't want to be censored.
I can't think of any MMO that allows you to hide player's glamour.

If someone doesn't like the way I look IRL, they can't change the way I appear.

The possibility of player being the only one's able to view their own glamour is offensive, and the devs would do well to not waste their resources on such a travesty.

Let our Eorzean men and women wear their thongs with pride!

[AriaFairchild]

I don't want to be censored.
I can't think of any MMO that allows you to hide player's glamour.

If someone doesn't like the way I look IRL, they can't change the way I appear.

The possibility of player being the only one's able to view their own glamour is offensive, and the devs would do well to not waste their resources on such a travesty.

Let our Eorzean men and women wear their thongs with pride!

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/p...eward-updates/ Standard Enemy Model is a thing in GW2. All enemy players, regardless of race/profession/visual vomits they have on them, are defaulted back to a generic Human model of that profession. It's mainly for competitive play...but it's a thing.

[DJMau]

You're free to express yourself however you like. But that doesn't mean that I will share your same vision in deciding that your pale white hrothgar will walk around town in 2B's panties. I should be allowed to choose what I don't wish to see, much as you are allowed to design your glamour the way you want.

[Doozer]

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/p...eward-updates/ Standard Enemy Model is a thing in GW2. All enemy players, regardless of race/profession/visual vomits they have on them, are defaulted back to a generic Human model of that profession. It's mainly for competitive play...but it's a thing.

Not the best example, since again, it's exclusively for PvP for an easier visual experience, not because you think the enemies are ugly and are offended by pixels. Also, having played GW2 since it was in beta, I don't think other MMOs should be looking to them for inspiration these days. Just saying.