Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
Well at least you do acknowledge that. And fair enough on the Raid Buffs it is not the only factor and I do agree with you.
Specifically, what I am saying is that raid buffs are very much a factor, and when you look at the damage calculations, that's already plugged in. So when we show you RDM underperforming, saying 'but Embolden' isn't valid because that Embolden is calculated and added in to the numbers we show you. That's what we're trying to tell you.

And there is a difference between normal End game content like Eden and Copied Factory where all of these jobs contribute which most people play (Hell now there's a parce up there someone submitted from me where I am averaging 3-8 Verraises per Fight with RDM in Copied) vs extreme content like Ultimate which very few actually play.
The former is less of a litmus test for balance because it doesn't -test- the jobs. And even then, even in a lower test environment, RDM isn't competing. The reason we bring up harder content is because that's when the jobs are tested.

In Extreme content like Ultimate we are seeing almost half the jobs in the game unable to keep up or compete in a DPS scenario and being excluded for that matter.
It's not that simple. As the old adage goes, RDM can complete that content. It's just that you're not getting value in taking it there that you would from Summoner. The answer to 'All jobs can complete content' is 'You can beat Dark Souls with a dance pad, doesn't make you want to buy a dance pad for Dark Souls.' RDM is close, but not exactly there.

So I don't believe this is specific to RDM. It is more likely a content balance issue not a class balance issue.
Except, it is a class balance issue. RDM, and the ranged physical, are undertuned, and it's known that it's undertuned. RDM needs juuuuuust a bit more, and it's all good again.