upcoming rdm changes?

[Gruntler]

With all due respect here Gruntler even on FFLogs (whch I still only take with a grain of salt for obvious reasons at this point, and have not changed my mind on) the RDM is still higher that a lot of the other DPS jobs in there.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/32/ RDM (least used job in Ultimate), outperforms ranged, and only ranged. And Ranged is underperforming as well, which is an argument for a different thread. No 'RDM needs buffs' advocate in the game is advocating leaving ranged as-is either.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29 RDM (second least used job in Savage) doesn't outperform MCH, which is again, undertuned. Only outperforms BRD and DNC.

In Extreme trials:

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/28 Huh, seems the trend continues, except RDM actually gets played here.

Maybe you're looking at casual fare: Eden Normal: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...difficulty=100 NOPE. NOT HERE.

Okay, well.... um.... Copied Factory? https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/31 WAIT NO NOT HERE EITHER.

....there's... literally nothing else. That's it. That's ALL of Shadowbringers. That's ALL the data for RDM in 5.1

Like, did you even look?

So if the Red Mage is being excluded, it is not due to pure DPS unless a lot of other jobs are, because RDM brings a lot of other utilities like Embolden a lot of those other jobs do not on top of that DPS.

Embolden's contribution is included in those numbers. Those numbers are for all those jobs, minus contributions from other players' buffs (like Embolden, Technical Step, Astro Cards), plus contributions from buffs to others (so, RDM gets credit for Embolden, AST gets credit for cards, etc.) So saying 'RDM brings other utilities' is like, bleh, that's already in the numbers. The only thing that isn't is credit for damage saved from raising.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/16AHP...done&source=14 shows the world's best NA RDM Titan Savage run. If you take the time to look how the damage plays out, you'll notice at the bottom Embolden's contribution calculated at 845.4 dps. If you bothered to actually look, you'd see that RDM's 'being behind' is after being given credit for Embolden here. Please learn how this works.

So if this is a problem, it is not Red Mage specific.

No, it isn't, it's also specific to ranged physical. Which no one is disputing needs help too. But it's not specific to raid buffs, because those are factored into the data you see.