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    Nemekh Kinryuu
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    It's always very strange to me to see people call embolden various kinds of bad when in the current era of party buffs it's one of the stronger buff functions out there especially in a comp where the other 3 dps are physical. It is far from borderline useless. But it could be one of the things they do adjust. I don't personally expect that, more the vein of direct potency adjustments especially with cleave/aoe in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemekh View Post
    It's always very strange to me to see people call embolden various kinds of bad when in the current era of party buffs it's one of the stronger buff functions out there especially in a comp where the other 3 dps are physical. It is far from borderline useless. But it could be one of the things they do adjust. I don't personally expect that, more the vein of direct potency adjustments especially with cleave/aoe in mind.
    It's very strong with a triple physical party yes, I think the problem lies more in how it is negating a double caster setting (arguably healers too, and how it weirdly does not buff some of the RDM's own abilities). Just like Brotherhood I think?
    But it's kind of a "gimmick" from the RDM, I don't really expect them to change it too.

    My safest bet is potency tweaks (or mana gain thus potency) on AoE stuff and Ver-Spells, perhaps a cleave on VerHoly/Flare and Scorch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    It's very strong with a triple physical party yes, I think the problem lies more in how it is negating a double caster setting (arguably healers too, and how it weirdly does not buff some of the RDM's own abilities). Just like Brotherhood I think?
    Brohood is physical only, but it does affect all of a Monk's damage. Brohood also only generates chakras from weaponskills so it's even more dependent on the party composition than Embolden is, but that's getting off-topic.

    Embolden boosting all damage would be a nice little buff. Also some minor potency boosts. I'm gonna guess they go the safe route and just boost stuff that won't potentially mess with the rotation, so either tiny buffs on a bunch of skills or medium buffs on the oGCDs or Verholyflare or the melee combo.
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    Yorumi Eienyuki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    It's very strong with a triple physical party yes, I think the problem lies more in how it is negating a double caster setting (arguably healers too, and how it weirdly does not buff some of the RDM's own abilities). Just like Brotherhood I think?
    But it's kind of a "gimmick" from the RDM, I don't really expect them to change it too.
    I was thinking about this and I think it would be neat if they just added something to embolden that would change based on party comp. Keep the physical buff but then add onto it something like "for every magical spell cast by a person with the embolden buff the rdm gains a stacking crit buff" or like reduce the cooldown on manafication or something along those lines. That way it keeps some level of uniqueness and doesn't just become another buff all damage skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    I was thinking about this and I think it would be neat if they just added something to embolden that would change based on party comp. Keep the physical buff but then add onto it something like "for every magical spell cast by a person with the embolden buff the rdm gains a stacking crit buff" or like reduce the cooldown on manafication or something along those lines. That way it keeps some level of uniqueness and doesn't just become another buff all damage skill.
    They could simply make all RDM damage magic based, so that the burst window of Manafication would include movement tools (which are always available) and Flèche + Contre de Sixte. That would be a nice (although slight) overall potency buff. Maybe there's some napkin math to do to see whether holding those to fit in each manafication is worth holding or not. But still, seeing our own abilities not buffed by our own buffs still feels odd to me. from what I see of Powercow (lol that name )'s reply, at least Brotherhood has deeper interaction with Monk's kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemekh View Post
    It's always very strange to me to see people call embolden various kinds of bad when in the current era of party buffs it's one of the stronger buff functions out there especially in a comp where the other 3 dps are physical. It is far from borderline useless. But it could be one of the things they do adjust. I don't personally expect that, more the vein of direct potency adjustments especially with cleave/aoe in mind.
    THIS.

    Embolden can be improved by making it universal (and it should be) but embolden is more boss-killing power than your entire fight's worth of jolts, or engagement/displacement in our kit, and Red Mages need to understand that maximizing Embolden is as pivotal as maximizing your 'gagements.
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