PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

[Mavrias]

Except this is one of those cases where it was needed.

It doesn't matter whose fault it was at the end of the day - You have the unique capability to turn course, and the refusal to do so shouldn't be a mark of pride.

Because the healer was incompetent. The healer does not become better if every paladin they get spams clemency. I'd much rather wipe and talk to them about what they're doing wrong than carry them through the whole instance.

[Kabooa]

Because the healer was incompetent. The healer does not become better if every paladin they get spams clemency. I'd much rather wipe and talk to them about what they're doing wrong than carry them through the whole instance.

You have no control over someone else's progress, even if you attempt to aid them.

However, aiding them is not exclusive from preventing a wipe, so that's an odd point to bring up.

[Mavrias]

You have no control over someone else's progress, even if you attempt to aid them.

However, aiding them is not exclusive from preventing a wipe, so that's an odd point to bring up.

You're correct I don't. Just as they can't control the way i utilize my tools. But again, I'd much rather teach than carry. Of course I can get through the duty spamming clemency the whole time. But it's not something i'm willing to do when the healer can just use their tools appropriately. OP even acknowledged themselves that they weren't using their toolkit well.

[Kabooa]

You're correct I don't. Just as they can't control the way i utilize my tools. But again, I'd much rather teach than carry. Of course I can get through the duty spamming clemency the whole time. But it's not something i'm willing to do when the healer can just use their tools appropriately. OP even acknowledged themselves that they weren't using their toolkit well.

OP also detailed the behavior of a -very bad tank-.

That is why I qualify what I say with "In the end, it doesn't matter whose fault it is". Stuff happens. Stuff hits the fan. The advice being offered is basic generic "this usually works". It takes longer to recover and 'do it right' than it does to just bite the bullet and use Clemency.

Again - Nothing prevents you from helping them -and- preventing the wipe. The two are not exclusive.

[Mavrias]

OP also detailed the behavior of a -very bad tank-.

That is why I qualify what I say with "In the end, it doesn't matter whose fault it is". Stuff happens. Stuff hits the fan. The advice being offered is basic generic "this usually works". It takes longer to recover and 'do it right' than it does to just bite the bullet and use Clemency.

Again - Nothing prevents you from helping them -and- preventing the wipe. The two are not exclusive.

If by "behavior of a very bad tank" you mean "sprinting, pulling big, and hitting defensives," sure. Then again, that's something i did on the first day shb dropped with no issue.

If it doesnt matter whose fault it is, then why did OP make an entire post blaming the paladin (and complaining about every other paladin as well) for every single wipe in that dungeon?

Wiping in a leveling dungeon means nothing to me. I'm not gonna die irl if we wipe. It's a lot easier to explain what to do when they can see the tangible difference between what they were (or were not) doing and the suggestions.

[Kabooa]

If by "behavior of a very bad tank" you mean "sprinting, pulling big, and hitting defensives," sure. Then again, that's something i did on the first day shb dropped with no issue.

Actually, reading the OP again, I think we all just got taken for a ride.

Read through it again, pay attention to the sequence of events, particularly, post second boss. Might just be me, but Holminster doesn't go like how its described.

[Maeka]

Actually, reading the OP again, I think we all just got taken for a ride.

Read through it again, pay attention to the sequence of events, particularly, post second boss. Might just be me, but Holminster doesn't go like how its described.

I admitted later in the thread that my memory of the events were foggy due to me not running Holminster Switch in awhile.

I got confused, thinking the Gremlin area was after the 2nd boss, when it is after the 1st boss.

I don't have the Shadowbringers dungeons memorized off the top of my head, and I had posted this thread a few hours after the events in question actually happened. I just remembered that the tank immediately mashed sprint and took off on the very first pull, there was a wipe, and then later on with the Gremlin area, she ran me out of resources and kept overpulling with me being out of resources.

As for using Sprint, I also said earlier in the thread, that I have nothing against tanks using sprint, but uh,

How about not using Sprint and pulling the first three groups before you even test your healer, or even confirm they're ready?