PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I honestly don't understand why the paladin being the tank able to do something other than hit-it-and-wait-to-wipe is the problem here.

You have this great ability that has key and valuable points of use, but people would rather aoe and die.

I don't get it.

Because it shouldn't be needed to be used if the healer is any way competent. Usually you don't notice you're on death's door until it's too late because you should be focused on managing cooldown usage, rotation and checking on enemy healthbars.

Except if you're one of those idiot tanks that panic after a single auto attack and spams Clemency, man they crack me up every time.

I'm used to seeing my hp around 30% mark and still know it's fine, I've been bene sniped around ~5%, still didn't use clemency, because healer mains gotta have their fun.

As well, it's not always possible to get that clemency off before you die, because my first thought isn't so how is this healer gonna let me die, but how to best keep on top of my cooldowns to mitigate as much damage as I can.

There is of course the situation where MP is spent and not enough generated to even cast a spell, but that's the obvious "what do you expect me to do if I have no MP".

[Kabooa]

Because it shouldn't be needed to be used if the healer is any way competent. Usually you don't notice you're on death's door until it's too late because you should be focused on managing cooldown usage, rotation and checking on enemy healthbars.

Except this is one of those cases where it was needed.

It doesn't matter whose fault it was at the end of the day - You have the unique capability to turn course, and the refusal to do so shouldn't be a mark of pride.

[Mavrias]

Except this is one of those cases where it was needed.

It doesn't matter whose fault it was at the end of the day - You have the unique capability to turn course, and the refusal to do so shouldn't be a mark of pride.

Because the healer was incompetent. The healer does not become better if every paladin they get spams clemency. I'd much rather wipe and talk to them about what they're doing wrong than carry them through the whole instance.

[Kabooa]

Because the healer was incompetent. The healer does not become better if every paladin they get spams clemency. I'd much rather wipe and talk to them about what they're doing wrong than carry them through the whole instance.

You have no control over someone else's progress, even if you attempt to aid them.

However, aiding them is not exclusive from preventing a wipe, so that's an odd point to bring up.

[Mavrias]

You have no control over someone else's progress, even if you attempt to aid them.

However, aiding them is not exclusive from preventing a wipe, so that's an odd point to bring up.

You're correct I don't. Just as they can't control the way i utilize my tools. But again, I'd much rather teach than carry. Of course I can get through the duty spamming clemency the whole time. But it's not something i'm willing to do when the healer can just use their tools appropriately. OP even acknowledged themselves that they weren't using their toolkit well.

[Kabooa]

You're correct I don't. Just as they can't control the way i utilize my tools. But again, I'd much rather teach than carry. Of course I can get through the duty spamming clemency the whole time. But it's not something i'm willing to do when the healer can just use their tools appropriately. OP even acknowledged themselves that they weren't using their toolkit well.

OP also detailed the behavior of a -very bad tank-.

That is why I qualify what I say with "In the end, it doesn't matter whose fault it is". Stuff happens. Stuff hits the fan. The advice being offered is basic generic "this usually works". It takes longer to recover and 'do it right' than it does to just bite the bullet and use Clemency.

Again - Nothing prevents you from helping them -and- preventing the wipe. The two are not exclusive.

[Mavrias]

OP also detailed the behavior of a -very bad tank-.

That is why I qualify what I say with "In the end, it doesn't matter whose fault it is". Stuff happens. Stuff hits the fan. The advice being offered is basic generic "this usually works". It takes longer to recover and 'do it right' than it does to just bite the bullet and use Clemency.

Again - Nothing prevents you from helping them -and- preventing the wipe. The two are not exclusive.

If by "behavior of a very bad tank" you mean "sprinting, pulling big, and hitting defensives," sure. Then again, that's something i did on the first day shb dropped with no issue.

If it doesnt matter whose fault it is, then why did OP make an entire post blaming the paladin (and complaining about every other paladin as well) for every single wipe in that dungeon?

Wiping in a leveling dungeon means nothing to me. I'm not gonna die irl if we wipe. It's a lot easier to explain what to do when they can see the tangible difference between what they were (or were not) doing and the suggestions.