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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't see what this has to do with a bug report on raid bottoms. Raid bottoms aren't flattened.

    We were talking about raid bottoms, not 2b bottoms which is what the post you quoted of me was referring to, and the quote I was replying to was referring to.
    You're classifying this patch as a "fix"

    I work with code.

    If I had submitted a pull request to my team full of fixes that broke the most used feature in the program they'd reject it and tell me to start over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plasmacutter View Post
    You're classifying this patch as a "fix"

    I work with code.

    If I had submitted a pull request to my team full of fixes that broke the most used feature in the program they'd reject it and tell me to start over.
    If we are switching discussion to 2b bottoms now. It is a fix, and now nobody has to worry about clipping! I don't know if I would go as far as calling 2b bottoms with long tops a "Feature". That's a bit laughable, and I am not even joking there.

    Your team isn't SE, let me guess more "black listing" or whatever for bad mouthing poor old SE the indie company SE, who tries to do right by all.



    Can you imagine a power point presentation in the office, with the new features of each patch, and they include the 2b butt working with long tops a feature? Like, I'm talking at the top of the list of bullet points. At the top they have this picture:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    If we are switching discussion to 2b bottoms now. It is a fix, and now nobody has to worry about clipping!
    Gas-lighting is abusive behavior, and a violation of forum TOS.

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't know if I would go as far as calling 2b bottoms with long tops a "Feature".
    If it weren't intended as a feature, it would never have been there in the first place, and now a good half of the playerbase have their glamours ruined.



    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Man, you must not work in code then if you've never had something break accidentally.
    I'm well aware, and when that happens, a proper code review and comprehensive regression testing catches it, and it's then sent back in rejection with a message to 'do better', not sent live to immiserate and alienate the userbase.

    It's clear Square needs to overhaul their QA when it comes to visuals and computer modeling when "fixes" destroy the key visual feature of the game's most popular leggings, while a patch to "fix" copied factory gear allows THIS BUG to persist on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plasmacutter View Post
    Gas-lighting is abusive behavior, and a violation of forum TOS.



    If it weren't intended as a feature, it would never have been there in the first place, and now a good half of the playerbase have their glamours ruined.
    Are you actually threatening me now with a report? Go ahead and report me, because that is not "gas lighting". The post you replied to was in direct reply to a post talking about raid bottoms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane View Post
    The raid pants are having issues with long boots. I doubt it has anything to do with the "butt fix" on the 2B leggings. They are not even the same pants.

    I think the current raid pants issue is more likely a side effect of them fixing the problem with certain short shoes being paired with the raid pants. Shoes like the elezen shoes were causing a problem similar to what the long boots are doing now. Here's what they looked before 5.15: https://i.imgur.com/l7dF7Fo.png
    5.15 fix these: https://i.imgur.com/ASFLF7I.png
    It is a "fix" the butt is flattened ONLY on long tops to prevent clipping, presumably.

    It is NOT a feature. I feature would be a butt slider. This is one pair of bottoms, that you can't even see unless you look upskirt on the set it was meant for.

    Ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    It is a "fix" the butt is flattened ONLY on long tops to prevent clipping, presumably.
    The 'clipiping' was happening with gear items few enough in number to count in my fingers.
    The 'fix' is a 'break' for the other 99.999% of gear combinations that had NO clipping.

    This is called a 'regression' in the software industry, and this regression has destroyed the primary visual purpose of the 2b bottoms.

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    It is NOT a feature.
    Yes, it is, or it would not have been there in the first place.

    Coming to a thread where the majority want this regression fixed and claiming "the butt was never intended" is gaslighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plasmacutter View Post
    The 'clipiping' was happening with gear items few enough in number to count in my fingers.
    The 'fix' is a 'break' for the other 99.999% of gear combinations that had NO clipping.

    This is called a 'regression' in the software industry, and this regression has destroyed the primary visual purpose of the 2b bottoms.



    Yes, it is, or it would not have been there in the first place.

    Coming to a thread where the majority want this regression fixed and claiming "the butt was never intended" is gaslighting.
    I don't understand what you are trying to do here. You know how many times I get falsely reported on these forums? It is your opinion that it isn't a fix, it is my opinion it is a fix. Get over it. It is my opinion it is not a feature, it is your opinion it is. It is now "gas lighting" for having differing opinions than that of the supposed majority I guess.

    I do not take kindly to threats, and I will not respond as I used to. The 2b butt is not that big of a deal, okay. OKAY? It is only flattened on long tops, and why would it only be flattened on long tops? To prevent clipping! It is a "fix" you might not classify it as such, IN YOUR OPINION, but it is.

    Threatening me over a differing opinion, or an exclamation point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't understand what you are trying to do here. You know how many times I get falsely reported on these forums? It is your opinion that it isn't a fix, it is my opinion it is a fix. Get over it. It is my opinion it is not a feature, it is your opinion it is. It is now "gas lighting" for having differing opinions than that of the supposed majority I guess.

    I do not take kindly to threats, and I will not respond as I used to. The 2b butt is not that big of a deal, okay. OKAY? It is only flattened on long tops, and why would it only be flattened on long tops? To prevent clipping! It is a "fix" you might not classify it as such, IN YOUR OPINION, but it is.

    Threatening me over a differing opinion, or an exclamation point.

    Maybe to you it isn't but I'm pretty sure there is more against what he did to it than for it. Why in first place did he even touch it when there still way more stuff that needs fixed before it. Sounds like wastefulness to me. I never had one problem with it ever clipping not like how 90% other stuff clips and is never fixed. Since thought need fix clipping to it now he better fix all the clipping problems to all other gear and how long hair clips all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plasmacutter View Post
    You're classifying this patch as a "fix"

    I work with code.

    If I had submitted a pull request to my team full of fixes that broke the most used feature in the program they'd reject it and tell me to start over.
    Man, you must not work in code then if you've never had something break accidentally. Everyone's heard the saying: 99 errors in the code to fix, fix an error, 128 errors in the code to fix.
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