Thread: Butt is flat again... Patch 5.15

And just to beat a counter argument to the punch, mods are not an answer to this issue.

For the most part, people quarrel with this situation because it gives the notion that SE won't agree to see eye to eye about the changes we want to the models and many are well aware about the technical difficulty involved. At the least people would be more complicit with "never" as an answer to the demand for a rear-end buff rather than this needing to be a reoccurring discussion with no answer.

Additionally some people prefer not to use mods as it creates a disconnect between what you see and what everyone else sees. It's not the answer for everyone on top of breaking a rule or three.

Also, someone made a post basically saying this game was made for westerners.. this is not true. FFXIV, heck even the FF series are what they are: JRPGs. I believe it is fair for the majority of the aspects to adhere to their culture, including personal tastes and all that jazz. The problem I have with most western thinkers, including my comrade Americans, is you tend to think the world owes everything to you.

Originally Posted by Nandrolone

However, there is a strange pattern happening from what I see.

A pattern of this incident and what else?

The only pattern I can think of is how full-length pants on male characters turn into fancy underwear for the female version.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The pattern of SE being "regressive", and "censoring" the booty what else. It's like the number one diatribe.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tt-enhancement

Just read the title of this "bug report".

Are you trying to be sarcastic, or did you misunderstand what I was saying? (Or did I misunderstand the person I quoted? I don't think I did on a second read.)

As I read it, they seem to be saying there is a pattern of SE doing things like adjusting the 2B model, possibly due to "higher-ups or the ethics department".

If that was the case, where are the other things to make that a "pattern"? You can't claim a pattern from one point of evidence.

Originally Posted by plasmacutter

Regression is not "censorship", it's a specific software engineering term for when a "fix" causes a new bug in an existing feature.

This is precisely what has happened here.

The "fix" has caused greater impact than the "bug" it was intending to resolve.

The proper course is for it to be caught in QA before it goes live and sent back with a message saying "try another approach cause this one caused a regression"

My real concern here is the possibility that this was the "agreed upon approach" and they thought "nobody would notice". Boy did they get that wrong if this is the case. It's important the community strongly signal a better and more narrow approach to their intended "fix" needs to be taken.

I didn't say regression IS censorship, but the first post that started this back-and-forth seemed to be implying that censorship might be the cause. (It was Sturm Churro that mentioned both regression and censorship in the one sentence first, which I was directly replying to.)

I requote:

Originally Posted by Nandrolone

I know Square Enix has good intentions, and I know if they were truly against more westernized tushies, it would be flat from day 1. However, there is a strange pattern happening from what I see. Perhaps the higher ups at Square Enix aren’t happy about that? Or maybe their ethics department isn’t happy about it? Whatever the reason is, it would be nice to have Yoshida somehow explain why it is considered priority number one over everything else relating to clipping. Especially after acknowledging in a past live letter that NA and EU fans would like a Butt slider feature. That’s what I don’t get.

This sounds a lot more like they're implying censorship and not just "they introduced a new error".

And still nobody has pointed out how this is a pattern.

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In any case, on your (plasmacutter's) "concern that this was the 'agreed upon approach'"... maybe it was. That still doesn't mean they did it because they knew people would object but wanted to slip it under the radar, or that they viewed it as a regression in the first place.

Maybe they genuinely think it's less important.

Maybe they thought the change was only affecting dresses where you wouldn't see it anyway.

Maybe they did the best they could within their time/budget constraints and this seemed the easiest way to respond to complaints and fix it.

(Maybe this forum just has a disproportionate focus on the issue compared to other places. I'm on the Eorzea Collection Discord - a website entirely focused on in-game fashion - and nobody even mentioned the changes until someone asked about the patch notes today. There was absolutely zero outrage.)

To be honest, I've always thought SE has a bit of an obsession with T&A. There are a lot of bosses scattered around with either gigantic (barely covered) boobs, or big ol' bums (also barely covered). Echidna always comes to mind first when thinking of the arses.

Sure, the character models themselves are severely lacking, but I doubt that's because they don't like bums. My guess is that the real reason is probably tangled up somewhere between "flat arses make copying gear between the races easier and will save on dev time" and "server limitations".

Originally Posted by Skivvy

Sure, the character models themselves are severely lacking, but I doubt that's because they don't like bums. My guess is that the real reason is probably tangled up somewhere between "flat arses make copying gear between the races easier and will save on dev time" and "server limitations".

Even simpler, it's a matter of making all the gear "mix-and-matchable" - all coats and sashes on chestpieces flare out to create room for any choice of pants/skirts to sit underneath. Bottoms are small to prevent the clipping previously complained about and leading to this adjustment, without needing tops to stick out even further than they already do.

Unique character designs like Echidna don't have that issue. They only need to wear the one outfit (or lack thereof) which will be modelled specifically for them, with no need for it to be compatible with anything else.